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welcome back to the UFO Rabbit Hole

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podcast I'm your host Kelly Chase

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today we're kicking off a new series

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that I'm calling the disclosure Field

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Guide

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don't worry we're still going to be

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continuing the waking up inside the cave

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series with part three in just a couple

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of weeks

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but given last week's record-scratching

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allegations by high-ranking intelligence

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official turned UFO whistleblower David

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grush that there is an element of the

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government that is in possession of

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recovered non-human technological craft

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and bodies it feels important to make

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room for these more urgent discussions

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as they come up I'll continue to do so

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as more Revelations hopefully come to

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light

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one thing that we won't be doing today

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is diving into the specifics of David

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grush's frankly mind-blowing interview

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with Ross coldheart on news Nation

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earlier this week if you missed that

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interview and you want to learn more

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about what was said I'll have all that

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linked up in the episode brief so that

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you can check it out

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the reason we won't be diving into that

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today is because I don't have much to

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add at this point as I laid out in the

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previous episode I find grush to be

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highly credible and it's my opinion

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based on the evidence that we've seen so

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far that he is coming forward as a part

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of a years-long highly coordinated push

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for disclosure being led by intelligence

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but whatever my opinion the reality is

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that there's no way for grush or anyone

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else for that matter to directly show

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the public tangible evidence of

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classified material and people who are

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criticizing rush for his inability to do

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so are either acting in bad faith or

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have no idea how any of this works as

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laypeople we have no way of objectively

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confirming the veracity of any of his

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claims regarding these secret crash

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retrieval programs he has turned that

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evidence over to Congress and to the

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intelligence Community Inspector General

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and it's time for them to do their jobs

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our job is to lean on them and keep

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making noise until they do it

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and so instead of trying to push out a

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bunch of speculative content that would

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serve more to muddy the waters than

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anything else I think it's best to wait

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and see what other Revelations may be

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coming that can help us untangle his

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shocking allegations

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and to be clear there's going to be a

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lot to untangle here in the coming weeks

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and months in his interview with Ross

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coltheart gresh went much further than

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he did in the initial interview with the

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debrief among his many allegations he

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stated that this secret Rogue contingent

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within the dod is using reverse

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engineered Tech to exercise feudalistic

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control over the United States that the

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first known UFO retrieval took place in

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magenta Italy in the 1930s that the

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Vatican has been involved in these

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efforts and he even alluded to the

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possibility that the United States

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government may have entered into some

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kind of an agreement with malevolent

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it's a lot to take in even for those of

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us who aren't hearing these theories for

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one thing I want to point out before we

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move on is that we need to be careful

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with how we interpret these allegations

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from Crush in the context of the

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established UFO lore on the one hand we

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have people who hear grush alluding to

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things that sound a lot like particular

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cases or tropes within the lore and they

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immediately assume that it means he must

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be lying or compromised in some way

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on the other hand we have people who

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hear those same things and assume that

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it means not only the grush is telling

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the truth but that whatever particular

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cases they think he's alluding to must

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it's important to recognize that each of

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these approaches is deeply biased and

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should be avoided at all costs

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can be tempting at times overwhelmingly

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so to jump to conclusions and to

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convince ourselves that all of this can

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be wrapped up in the neat little bow of

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our own personal pet theories but

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there's still a lot to sort out and

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there's still a lot that we don't know

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it's especially important at this time

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that we come together as a community and

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do our best not to incept ourselves with

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our own theories and lore and wait for

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the evidence to be presented before

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deciding on what's true

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so I don't want to waste our time with

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that until we have the ability to make

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some actual Headway instead I'd like to

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use our time together to talk about the

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process of metabolizing information like

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this of recognizing that we don't live

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in the world that we thought we lived in

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and perhaps more importantly to leave a

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trail of breadcrumbs for the people who

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are coming behind us

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if what we're seeing here is in fact as

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so many of us hope the opening Gambit on

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what is intended to be the finishing

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move on UFO secrecy then what the

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community is going through right now in

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processing this information is but a

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shadow of what we'll be seeing

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throughout our society in the coming

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months and years it all comes back to

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something that I've been noticing in

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myself over the last few days as more of

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David grush's extraordinary claims come

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to light and it's something that I

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really didn't expect to see ontological

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shock

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is a term used to describe a profound

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and disorienting psychological state

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that occurs when one's understanding of

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reality is dramatically altered

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usually due to an encounter or

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previously held beliefs about the nature

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of existence

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so it was incredibly surprising to me to

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recognize that that was what I was

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experiencing

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after all I walked away from my career

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to do this work full time on a typical

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day I'm thinking about UFOs and

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non-human intelligence from the time I

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wake up to the time I go to bed and as a

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result the things that gresh said were

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only surprising to me because it was

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surprising to hear a high-level

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intelligence officials say them in such

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a public and intentional way but not

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because anything that he said was

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entirely new or unexpected so where was

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this coming from

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in talking with some wise friends what

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process of dismantling the illusion of

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our consensus reality is a long one and

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when we're exposed to a big enough shock

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to our ontological system we inevitably

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end up processing these things in stages

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and the progress in this area is rarely

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linear it's more like a spiral where

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moving forward somehow always involves

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doubling back on yourself

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over the last week I've been surprised

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to find myself back in some new version

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of the ontological shock that I felt

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when I first recognized that there

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really was something to this whole UFO

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thing to be honest I've just been

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feeling really weird about the whole

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thing and based on some private

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conversations that I've had with others

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in the community this week I know I'm

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not the only one

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so whether you're brand new to this

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topic or have been studying it for

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decades and whether you're listening to

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this when the episode comes out or

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months down the road I think it's worth

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our time to take a minute to talk about

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ontological shock not just what it is

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but how to cope avoid some of the major

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pitfalls and begin to get yourself

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reoriented in the Strange New Reality in

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which you find yourself so what does

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ontological shock look like how can you

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tell if you or someone else might be

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experiencing it it's important to note

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that ontological shock isn't a

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recognized medical condition so it's not

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like we have a set of symptoms we can

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use to diagnose it and ultimately

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everyone deals with ontological shock

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differently depending on their personal

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beliefs culture values and temperament

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however there are a few common things

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that people may experience like

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cognitive dissonance emotional turmoil

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changes in Behavior a feeling of

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existential crisis and even the

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re-evaluation of one's beliefs and these

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are just some of the things that someone

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going through a massive shift in their

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worldview might experience

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and that will manifest differently for

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everyone you might be angry for no

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reason or you might withdraw you might

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be anxious or irritable or have insomnia

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you might even feel sad or depressed as

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you go through the grieving process for

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your old world view all of that is very

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common and if you're going through those

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things be sure to be gentle with

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yourself try to get some extra rest

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it will get better and that this too

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shall pass and please know that you're

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not alone

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ontological shock there are some other

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pitfalls that you need to look out for

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there are very particular ways that our

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brains are wired to respond to

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information that surprises us and

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challenges the Frameworks that we use to

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understand the world and those hardwired

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responses are something that you need to

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be aware of so that you're better

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prepared to deal with them

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there is a gentleman by the name of

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George Lowenstein whose work can help us

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understand how information like the

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claims made by David grush can impact us

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on a neurological level

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Stein is a professor of economics and

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psychology and the social and decision

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University and a director of the Center

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for Behavioral decision research he is a

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leader in the fields of Behavioral

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economics which he is also credited with

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co-founding neuro economics as well as

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in judgment and decision making in his

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paper the psychology of curiosity

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Lowenstein identifies four ways of

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involuntarily inducing curiosity in

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humans 1. the posing of a question or

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presentation of a puzzle 2. exposure to

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a sequence of events with an anticipated

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but unknown resolution 3. the violation

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of expectations that trigger search for

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an explanation or four knowledge of

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lightning bolt for my understanding of

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how the topic of UFOs has quite

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literally taken over my entire life

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the UFO topic is a profound embodiment

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of all of the basic things that can

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induce curiosity in a person against

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their will

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once you know this you'll start seeing

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it all the time particularly in the

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social media networks and algorithms

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that are trying to keep your attention

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you've probably come across Tick-Tock

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videos that begin with a series of

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random events that never resolve in a

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way that makes sense or that has a

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caption like can't believe that just

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happened and then you watch it and

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nothing happens those are the kind of

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videos that we can watch multiple times

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on repeat because our brains are trying

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to figure out what's going on it holds

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our attention and so people use tricks

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like that all the time to hack the

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algorithms of the Internet by using

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curiosity to hack into our brains it's

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important for the purposes of this

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conversation that we understand what

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curiosity actually is on a neurochemical

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level

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brain scans reveal that Curiosity begins

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as a kick to the brain's reward system

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when curiosity is induced in the brain

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We crave to know the answer or what

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happens next in the story in the same

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way that you might crave something like

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sex or chocolate and that craving can be

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surprisingly intense in many studies on

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curiosity where for example subjects

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might be shown a series of nonsensical

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events with an unclear ending

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researchers have often reported that the

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participants in the study had such a

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strong compulsion to know what happened

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that they would try to bribe the

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administrators even in cases where they

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knew that they would be given the answer

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after the session was completed

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so what does this mean for those of us

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dealing with ontological shock with

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regard to UFOs and non-human

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intelligence

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first of all it means you need to watch

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out for developing an unhealthy

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obsession with this topic I know that's

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rich coming from me but in all

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seriousness this UFO stuff can take over

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your life if you're not careful even

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with disclosure seemingly on our

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doorstep the answers as to what this

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phenomenon is and what exactly all of

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this means for Humanity are not going to

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come overnight there are plenty of

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questions that we may never get the

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answer to so that information Gap that's

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sparking your curiosity likely isn't

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going anywhere

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I want to be clear that it's okay to be

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interested and to want to learn more

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it's okay if this becomes a particular

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interest and if you naturally end up

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reshuffling some of your interests and

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priorities based on these new

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Revelations but you have to be careful

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that it doesn't become detrimental to

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your relationships and overall mental

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health if you see that start to happen

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it's really important to take a step

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back get some rest touch grass laugh

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with your friends do something normal

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watch a stupid show whatever it takes

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for you to ground yourself and

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re-establish balance

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it's also important to recognize that

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the kind of all-consuming curiosity that

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can be sparked by the UFO topic by its

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very nature makes you particularly

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vulnerable to being influenced and

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manipulated by others

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when you desperately want an answer to a

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question that is consuming you it's

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uncomfortable on the most basic

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physiological level your brain wants to

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find out that answer

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what this means is that in this state

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it's much easier than normal for someone

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to come in and give you an answer and

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for you to accept it

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you have to be aware that there are

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unscrupulous people in the world who

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know this and will exploit it and

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perhaps to an even greater degree there

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are well-meaning people in the community

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who have jumped to their own conclusions

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and their certainty can unwittingly

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serve as a magnet to others who are

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looking for answers

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so all of this is to say that if you

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recognize yourself becoming curious and

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engaged about this topic that's great

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welcome just make sure that you're aware

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of what's going on with you on a

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neurochemical level and don't allow your

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own reasoning to be hijacked by that

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what that requires is that you recognize

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the discomfort of not knowing the answer

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and get very comfortable in sitting in

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that feeling okay so if we're just

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supposed to sit with the discomfort of

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not knowing then how do we resolve our

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ontological shock

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and argue that the best way to proceed

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in this case is not to look for answers

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because those answers may or may not

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ever come instead we need to work on

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establishing new Frameworks to help us

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categorize and frame the possible

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answers

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this can be unfamiliar territory if

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you're coming from a place where you

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felt like you more or less had the

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answers to a lot of the bigger questions

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in life

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the basis of consensus reality is the

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agreements that we've made about who we

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are and where we are and what we are and

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although as we discussed at length in

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part one of the waking up inside the

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cave series the official story of

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everything that the majority of people

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subscribe to actually makes very little

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sense when you think about it at all

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critically most people tend not to

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notice until they are forced it takes a

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shocking realization or experience to

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wake someone up from that dream of

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certainty and as soon as you lose that

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certainty you're likely to start missing

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it for most people the immediate

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instinct is to replace that certainty

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with a new certainty to say the answers

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I had before were wrong but these

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answers over here are the real answers

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but the truth is that we don't know what

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the UFO phenomenon is or what it

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represents the top scientific Minds in

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the field from Jacques filet to Gary

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Nolan will tell you that we're nowhere

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near getting answers with regard to the

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ultimate truth of what we're dealing

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with at this stage the best we can hope

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to do is to formulate better and better

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questions

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in many ways the podcast up to this

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point has been my own exercise in doing

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exactly that and from the beginning I've

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made it clear that it's never been my

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intention to bring us to any particular

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conclusion or to push any particular

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agenda I don't have any conclusions and

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my only agenda is to try to find better

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ways to frame and metabolize the greater

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realization sparked in Me by the UFO

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topic that the nature of our reality is

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not what we've been told

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and in walking that path together a

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landscape has begun to emerge from the

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fog of ontological shock we haven't

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found answers but we have found better

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questions and we found ways that allow

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us to talk about both the patterns and

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the complexities that emerge when we

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study this phenomenon with a radically

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open mind

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we've found that we can become more

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familiar with these nuanced aspects of

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our reality even if we can't yet see

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their full shape and that's how I'd like

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to spend the rest of our time together

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today by synthesizing what we've learned

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on the road so far about how to approach

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these challenging and complex topics in

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hopes that they can serve as a road map

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for those who follow

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okay so let's start with what exactly

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we're dealing with here in terms of the

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nature of the intelligence behind UFOs

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because that question is infinitely more

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complex than the aliens versus not

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aliens binary that most of the world

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exists in

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although you rarely see UFOs portrayed

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in the media in any other way the idea

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that the pilots of UFOs are aliens from

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another planet or the Extraterrestrial

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hypothesis is only one of a vast

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Pantheon possible solutions to this

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enigma

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there are several General categories

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that are used in ufology to break down

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the possibilities we have the

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Extraterrestrial hypothesis that they're

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coming from another planet the

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interdimensional hypothesis that they're

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coming from another dimension the extra

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tempestral hypothesis which is they're

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coming from a different place in time

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the ultra-terrestrial hypothesis which

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is basically there's some sort of an

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Undiscovered presence here on the Earth

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or the Breakaway civilization hypothesis

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which is basically that there would be a

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highly Advanced human offshoot that

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could be behind UFOs

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and each of those main categories can

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get broken down into countless

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subcategories each one represents its

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own unique rabbit hole if you want to

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dive more deeply into any of these ideas

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I'll have episodes linked up in the

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episode brief for you to explore

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and while it's important to understand

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the basics of each of these categories

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I'd argue that we need to be able to

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simultaneously look through and pass

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them to be able to identify deeper

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patterns that emerge in short the

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complexities of UFO encounters suggest

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that no single category that's been

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suggested could possibly account for all

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of the evidence at this point most

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researchers seem to agree that what

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we're dealing with is either multiple

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sources for what we call the UFO

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phenomenon or something that collapses

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all of these categories that we

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discussed into a more coherent Theory or

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both so while it's fun to explore all

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these different ideas about where UFOs

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might be coming from and while at least

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some aspect of each of these theories

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probably has some element of truth to it

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to remain objective it's best to hold

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each of these theories Loosely and

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remain open-minded

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to begin to really understand the

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complexity of what we're dealing with we

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need to go back to the beginning of the

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modern day UFO phenomenon and see how it

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evolved over time

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the modern UFO era began in Earnest with

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the Kenneth Arnold sighting on June 24

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1947.

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Arnold an experienced pilot was flying

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near Mount Rainier in Washington when he

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saw nine unusual objects flying in

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formation

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he described their movements as saucer

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skipping over the water which a reporter

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later coined as flying saucers igniting

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the fascination of the public

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the mystery was deepened by another

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event that took place just a few short

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weeks later namely the infamous Roswell

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incident

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in July 1947 a Rancher found wreckage on

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his property near Roswell New Mexico

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which sparked rumors of a crashed alien

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spacecraft the military's quickly

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changing explanations only fueled these

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speculations this event spawned a media

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frenzy and soon after stories of flying

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saucers began to surface from all around

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the globe

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and the American public was largely open

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to this idea the end of World War II had

558
00:20:14,570 --> 00:20:12,000
seen an explosion of new technologies

559
00:20:16,549 --> 00:20:14,580
and scientific advances and the prospect

560
00:20:19,909 --> 00:20:16,559
of intelligent extraterrestrial life

561
00:20:21,770 --> 00:20:19,919
didn't seem entirely outlandish at the

562
00:20:23,690 --> 00:20:21,780
same time it's important to recognize

563
00:20:25,850 --> 00:20:23,700
that in these early days the

564
00:20:27,590 --> 00:20:25,860
Extraterrestrial hypothesis wasn't the

565
00:20:30,230 --> 00:20:27,600
only one being offered to explain this

566
00:20:32,330 --> 00:20:30,240
phenomenon early theories also involved

567
00:20:34,850 --> 00:20:32,340
everything from Secret Soviet technology

568
00:20:36,470 --> 00:20:34,860
to craft from an advanced species living

569
00:20:39,770 --> 00:20:36,480
inside of the Earth

570
00:20:42,049 --> 00:20:39,780
it wasn't until the 1950s and 1960s that

571
00:20:45,049 --> 00:20:42,059
The Narrative of UFOs began to solidify

572
00:20:47,029 --> 00:20:45,059
around an extraterrestrial origin this

573
00:20:48,950 --> 00:20:47,039
shift was largely influenced by an

574
00:20:51,890 --> 00:20:48,960
emerging subculture known as the

575
00:20:54,049 --> 00:20:51,900
contactes these individuals claimed to

576
00:20:55,909 --> 00:20:54,059
have not just seen UFOs but to have made

577
00:20:58,070 --> 00:20:55,919
direct peaceful contact with their

578
00:21:00,370 --> 00:20:58,080
extraterrestrial occupants whom they

579
00:21:02,750 --> 00:21:00,380
often referred to as the space Brothers

580
00:21:05,150 --> 00:21:02,760
one of the most well-known figures in

581
00:21:07,130 --> 00:21:05,160
this movement was George adamski Who

582
00:21:09,110 --> 00:21:07,140
alleged to have met benevolent very

583
00:21:11,690 --> 00:21:09,120
human-looking aliens from Venus and

584
00:21:13,370 --> 00:21:11,700
other planets in our solar system at

585
00:21:15,590 --> 00:21:13,380
this point in history we still hadn't

586
00:21:17,330 --> 00:21:15,600
seen past the clouds of Venus and so

587
00:21:19,549 --> 00:21:17,340
these stories felt more possible than

588
00:21:21,770 --> 00:21:19,559
they sound to us now these space

589
00:21:24,110 --> 00:21:21,780
brothers were typically depicted as wise

590
00:21:26,270 --> 00:21:24,120
and peaceful beings keen on helping

591
00:21:28,490 --> 00:21:26,280
Humanity navigate its way towards a more

592
00:21:30,770 --> 00:21:28,500
enlightened and peaceful existence

593
00:21:33,529 --> 00:21:30,780
one standout story from this era

594
00:21:37,370 --> 00:21:33,539
involves an alleged alien Envoy named

595
00:21:40,070 --> 00:21:37,380
Valiant Thor in 1957 a man named Dr

596
00:21:41,810 --> 00:21:40,080
Frank Strange's claimed to have met Thor

597
00:21:44,270 --> 00:21:41,820
who was supposedly living at the

598
00:21:45,649 --> 00:21:44,280
Pentagon for three years under the U.S

599
00:21:48,289 --> 00:21:45,659
government's protection

600
00:21:50,090 --> 00:21:48,299
according to Stranges Thor hailed from

601
00:21:52,549 --> 00:21:50,100
Venus and it come to Earth to offer

602
00:21:54,649 --> 00:21:52,559
advanced technology and wisdom but only

603
00:21:55,610 --> 00:21:54,659
if humans would agree to abolish war and

604
00:21:57,710 --> 00:21:55,620
violence

605
00:21:59,510 --> 00:21:57,720
stories like these transformed The

606
00:22:01,549 --> 00:21:59,520
public's perception of aliens from

607
00:22:03,049 --> 00:22:01,559
potential threats to spiritual guides

608
00:22:05,450 --> 00:22:03,059
and even saviors

609
00:22:07,730 --> 00:22:05,460
still while some Embrace these tales in

610
00:22:10,010 --> 00:22:07,740
the promise they held many others were

611
00:22:12,110 --> 00:22:10,020
skeptical and mainstream science largely

612
00:22:14,570 --> 00:22:12,120
dismissed these claims as fantasies or

613
00:22:16,010 --> 00:22:14,580
hoaxes and interestingly the space

614
00:22:18,230 --> 00:22:16,020
Brothers seemed to more or less

615
00:22:20,750 --> 00:22:18,240
Disappear by the late 60s

616
00:22:23,570 --> 00:22:20,760
in the 70s and 80s the pendulum swung

617
00:22:25,310 --> 00:22:23,580
back the other way towards fear accounts

618
00:22:27,230 --> 00:22:25,320
like the infamous abduction case of

619
00:22:30,289 --> 00:22:27,240
Barney and Betty Hill and subsequent

620
00:22:32,590 --> 00:22:30,299
reports of similar experiences painted a

621
00:22:35,630 --> 00:22:32,600
much darker picture of alien interaction

622
00:22:37,610 --> 00:22:35,640
the idea of extraterrestrials abducting

623
00:22:39,529 --> 00:22:37,620
and Performing invasive procedures on

624
00:22:42,230 --> 00:22:39,539
unsuspecting humans was terrifying

625
00:22:44,630 --> 00:22:42,240
stoking a growing paranoia about UFOs

626
00:22:46,669 --> 00:22:44,640
and their inhabitants it was also around

627
00:22:49,370 --> 00:22:46,679
this time that the modern concept of the

628
00:22:51,529 --> 00:22:49,380
gray alien came into prominence unlike

629
00:22:53,270 --> 00:22:51,539
earlier contactees who often described

630
00:22:55,610 --> 00:22:53,280
their extraterrestrial visitors is

631
00:22:57,169 --> 00:22:55,620
looking very human some to the point

632
00:23:00,049 --> 00:22:57,179
that they would be indistinguishable

633
00:23:02,630 --> 00:23:00,059
from a human suddenly there were reports

634
00:23:05,510 --> 00:23:02,640
of aliens that looked much more alien

635
00:23:08,090 --> 00:23:05,520
although still humanoid in shape the

636
00:23:10,850 --> 00:23:08,100
elongated skulls large wrap around eyes

637
00:23:13,310 --> 00:23:10,860
and frail bodies of the gray alien were

638
00:23:15,409 --> 00:23:13,320
distinctly other and it was this image

639
00:23:16,490 --> 00:23:15,419
of ETS that became ubiquitous in the

640
00:23:18,710 --> 00:23:16,500
media

641
00:23:20,810 --> 00:23:18,720
what we recognize when we look back at

642
00:23:23,029 --> 00:23:20,820
the cultural record is that our modern

643
00:23:25,070 --> 00:23:23,039
concept of the big-eyed alien that comes

644
00:23:27,289 --> 00:23:25,080
here from another planet a flying saucer

645
00:23:29,990 --> 00:23:27,299
was something that came together slowly

646
00:23:32,390 --> 00:23:30,000
over decades largely influenced by the

647
00:23:34,010 --> 00:23:32,400
media and this portrayal Bears very

648
00:23:36,470 --> 00:23:34,020
little resemblance to how the UFO

649
00:23:38,450 --> 00:23:36,480
phenomenon as a whole actually manifests

650
00:23:40,190 --> 00:23:38,460
itself in the real world

651
00:23:42,710 --> 00:23:40,200
when you dive into the literature of

652
00:23:45,110 --> 00:23:42,720
experiencer accounts what you find is a

653
00:23:47,330 --> 00:23:45,120
vast tapestry of craft and beings that

654
00:23:48,710 --> 00:23:47,340
is almost impossible to resolve into one

655
00:23:50,690 --> 00:23:48,720
coherent narrative

656
00:23:52,730 --> 00:23:50,700
and things only get more complicated

657
00:23:54,590 --> 00:23:52,740
when we recognize that although the

658
00:23:57,110 --> 00:23:54,600
modern UFO phenomenon is generally

659
00:23:59,630 --> 00:23:57,120
thought to have its origins in 1947

660
00:24:01,490 --> 00:23:59,640
there is a lot of evidence that this has

661
00:24:03,230 --> 00:24:01,500
actually been going on for quite a bit

662
00:24:05,810 --> 00:24:03,240
longer than that

663
00:24:07,669 --> 00:24:05,820
during the heat of World War II several

664
00:24:10,370 --> 00:24:07,679
years before Kenneth Arnold's Infamous

665
00:24:12,169 --> 00:24:10,380
sighting Pilots began to report strange

666
00:24:14,330 --> 00:24:12,179
orbs of light and other mysterious

667
00:24:16,850 --> 00:24:14,340
phenomena which they nicknamed Foo

668
00:24:19,789 --> 00:24:16,860
Fighters these orbs would follow or

669
00:24:22,070 --> 00:24:19,799
flank military aircraft perform erratic

670
00:24:24,430 --> 00:24:22,080
Maneuvers and sometimes vanish Into Thin

671
00:24:26,870 --> 00:24:24,440
Air leaving no trace or explanation

672
00:24:29,450 --> 00:24:26,880
Allied Pilots initially feared these

673
00:24:31,190 --> 00:24:29,460
were secret axis weapons but German and

674
00:24:33,409 --> 00:24:31,200
Japanese Pilots reported encountering

675
00:24:36,409 --> 00:24:33,419
them too and these went out your garden

676
00:24:38,630 --> 00:24:36,419
variety UFO sightings they were observed

677
00:24:40,190 --> 00:24:38,640
by trained military personnel during a

678
00:24:42,770 --> 00:24:40,200
time of heightened surveillance and

679
00:24:45,169 --> 00:24:42,780
extreme technological advancements yet

680
00:24:46,909 --> 00:24:45,179
despite investigations no definitive

681
00:24:49,070 --> 00:24:46,919
explanation for the Foo Fighters has

682
00:24:50,930 --> 00:24:49,080
ever been found and if you want to learn

683
00:24:53,210 --> 00:24:50,940
more about the Foo Fighters my friend

684
00:24:55,970 --> 00:24:53,220
and phenomenal UFO researcher Graham

685
00:24:57,950 --> 00:24:55,980
Rendell wrote a fantastic book based on

686
00:25:00,950 --> 00:24:57,960
his deep research on the topic called

687
00:25:03,289 --> 00:25:00,960
UFOs before Roswell European Foo

688
00:25:05,450 --> 00:25:03,299
Fighters 1940-1945

689
00:25:07,549 --> 00:25:05,460
it's by far the most comprehensive

690
00:25:09,649 --> 00:25:07,559
resource I found on Foo Fighters and I

691
00:25:12,110 --> 00:25:09,659
highly recommend it you can find the

692
00:25:13,850 --> 00:25:12,120
link in the episode brief but sightings

693
00:25:16,310 --> 00:25:13,860
of strange things in the sky didn't

694
00:25:18,770 --> 00:25:16,320
start in World War II or even in the

695
00:25:20,450 --> 00:25:18,780
20th century we have evidence that

696
00:25:22,669 --> 00:25:20,460
similar things have been reported by

697
00:25:24,950 --> 00:25:22,679
people for thousands of years

698
00:25:27,350 --> 00:25:24,960
in his groundbreaking book passport to

699
00:25:30,529 --> 00:25:27,360
Magonia from folklore to flying saucers

700
00:25:33,049 --> 00:25:30,539
famed ufologist Jacques filet collected

701
00:25:36,890 --> 00:25:33,059
over 900 sightings from around the globe

702
00:25:38,690 --> 00:25:36,900
spanning the 1860s to the 1960s many

703
00:25:39,649 --> 00:25:38,700
occurring well before the first human

704
00:25:41,870 --> 00:25:39,659
flight

705
00:25:44,450 --> 00:25:41,880
some of these accounts are mind-boggling

706
00:25:47,210 --> 00:25:44,460
you have stories of phantom airships

707
00:25:49,190 --> 00:25:47,220
glowing orbs and strange beings

708
00:25:51,289 --> 00:25:49,200
for instance there's an account from the

709
00:25:53,510 --> 00:25:51,299
late 19th century where a flying

710
00:25:56,090 --> 00:25:53,520
cigar-shaped object reportedly hovered

711
00:25:58,850 --> 00:25:56,100
over a Texas town dropped a rope-like

712
00:26:01,070 --> 00:25:58,860
device and startled a local bomb and

713
00:26:02,810 --> 00:26:01,080
speaking of phantom airships let's talk

714
00:26:05,630 --> 00:26:02,820
about what is one of the strangest

715
00:26:10,010 --> 00:26:05,640
chapters in UFO lore the great Airship

716
00:26:12,350 --> 00:26:10,020
lab of 1896 and 1897. this flap refers

717
00:26:14,210 --> 00:26:12,360
to a series of unexplained sightings of

718
00:26:15,850 --> 00:26:14,220
what were described as airships in

719
00:26:18,110 --> 00:26:15,860
various parts of the United States

720
00:26:20,390 --> 00:26:18,120
Witnesses describe these crafts as

721
00:26:23,090 --> 00:26:20,400
elongated often equipped with powerful

722
00:26:25,070 --> 00:26:23,100
searchlights incapable of Maneuvers that

723
00:26:27,230 --> 00:26:25,080
were technologically unfeasible for that

724
00:26:28,909 --> 00:26:27,240
time considering that people were

725
00:26:31,070 --> 00:26:28,919
reporting this years before we'd

726
00:26:33,590 --> 00:26:31,080
achieved human flight these sightings

727
00:26:36,350 --> 00:26:33,600
are particularly perplexing the

728
00:26:38,390 --> 00:26:36,360
sightings peaked in April 1897 with an

729
00:26:41,330 --> 00:26:38,400
Infamous report of an Airship crashing

730
00:26:43,669 --> 00:26:41,340
into a windmill in Aurora Texas spawning

731
00:26:45,950 --> 00:26:43,679
Tales of a deceased alien pilot and

732
00:26:47,690 --> 00:26:45,960
buried wreckage while some Airship

733
00:26:50,450 --> 00:26:47,700
sightings were likely hoaxes or

734
00:26:52,970 --> 00:26:50,460
misidentified celestial bodies the sheer

735
00:26:55,490 --> 00:26:52,980
number and consistency presented a

736
00:26:58,190 --> 00:26:55,500
mystery that persists to this day in

737
00:27:00,230 --> 00:26:58,200
April 1561 people in the town of

738
00:27:02,029 --> 00:27:00,240
Nuremberg Germany reported seeing the

739
00:27:05,269 --> 00:27:02,039
sky filled with all sorts of strange

740
00:27:08,149 --> 00:27:05,279
objects spheres cylinders and Crosses

741
00:27:10,909 --> 00:27:08,159
all apparently engaged in some kind of a

742
00:27:13,310 --> 00:27:10,919
Celestial battle this strange event was

743
00:27:15,350 --> 00:27:13,320
memorialized in a wood-cut painting by

744
00:27:17,450 --> 00:27:15,360
Hans glosser complete with an

745
00:27:19,450 --> 00:27:17,460
accompanying description detailing a

746
00:27:21,470 --> 00:27:19,460
cacophony of strange sights and sounds

747
00:27:23,330 --> 00:27:21,480
although this event was largely

748
00:27:25,730 --> 00:27:23,340
interpreted as a sign from God at the

749
00:27:27,289 --> 00:27:25,740
time that it happened today many have

750
00:27:28,909 --> 00:27:27,299
pointed out that this sounds like some

751
00:27:30,950 --> 00:27:28,919
kind of a battle between Advanced

752
00:27:33,110 --> 00:27:30,960
technological beings

753
00:27:34,850 --> 00:27:33,120
and we have indications that experience

754
00:27:37,310 --> 00:27:34,860
is very much like what is reported with

755
00:27:39,950 --> 00:27:37,320
the UFO phenomenon happened at even more

756
00:27:41,769 --> 00:27:39,960
remote points in Humanity's past take

757
00:27:44,409 --> 00:27:41,779
for example the story of Dr Diana

758
00:27:46,730 --> 00:27:44,419
walsh-pasulka author of American Cosmic

759
00:27:49,549 --> 00:27:46,740
passulka a scholar of Catholic history

760
00:27:51,230 --> 00:27:49,559
first found her way to the topic of UFOs

761
00:27:53,330 --> 00:27:51,240
through work that she was doing

762
00:27:55,549 --> 00:27:53,340
exploring stories about encounters with

763
00:27:56,870 --> 00:27:55,559
souls in purgatory in the depths of the

764
00:27:58,789 --> 00:27:56,880
Vatican archives

765
00:28:01,190 --> 00:27:58,799
she became interested in the topic of

766
00:28:02,690 --> 00:28:01,200
UFOs after recognizing that the accounts

767
00:28:05,149 --> 00:28:02,700
described in these texts that were

768
00:28:07,370 --> 00:28:05,159
hundreds of years old looked a lot like

769
00:28:09,350 --> 00:28:07,380
modern UFO encounters

770
00:28:11,390 --> 00:28:09,360
and if we go even further back in

771
00:28:13,970 --> 00:28:11,400
interviews Lou Elizondo has mentioned

772
00:28:15,950 --> 00:28:13,980
Scrolls from ancient Rome the described

773
00:28:19,029 --> 00:28:15,960
soldiers being accompanied into battle

774
00:28:21,470 --> 00:28:19,039
by flying shields in the sky above them

775
00:28:23,210 --> 00:28:21,480
interestingly Roman Shields at the time

776
00:28:28,549 --> 00:28:23,220
looked a heck of a lot like modern day

777
00:28:33,590 --> 00:28:30,649
so what does all of this mean

778
00:28:35,330 --> 00:28:33,600
well for one it means that any attempt

779
00:28:37,310 --> 00:28:35,340
that we make to draw a definitive Line

780
00:28:40,390 --> 00:28:37,320
in the Sand as to when the UFO

781
00:28:42,470 --> 00:28:40,400
phenomenon began is ultimately arbitrary

782
00:28:44,390 --> 00:28:42,480
based on the evidence it seems

783
00:28:46,850 --> 00:28:44,400
altogether likely that whatever the

784
00:28:48,830 --> 00:28:46,860
nature of the UFO phenomenon this is a

785
00:28:51,590 --> 00:28:48,840
reality that Humanity has been bumping

786
00:28:54,169 --> 00:28:51,600
up against for thousands of years if not

787
00:28:56,330 --> 00:28:54,179
since the very dawn of our species and

788
00:28:59,330 --> 00:28:56,340
it also means that whatever the UFO

789
00:29:01,730 --> 00:28:59,340
phenomenon is the answers are likely far

790
00:29:04,130 --> 00:29:01,740
more complicated and far more strange

791
00:29:06,169 --> 00:29:04,140
than we can anticipate because the

792
00:29:07,850 --> 00:29:06,179
reality is that although we can point to

793
00:29:10,490 --> 00:29:07,860
accounts throughout history of people

794
00:29:12,289 --> 00:29:10,500
seeing strange things in the sky there

795
00:29:14,090 --> 00:29:12,299
is no way that we found this far of

796
00:29:16,850 --> 00:29:14,100
connecting those dots in a way that

797
00:29:19,430 --> 00:29:16,860
forms any kind of a coherent narrative

798
00:29:22,549 --> 00:29:19,440
so it's clear that the UFO narrative has

799
00:29:24,830 --> 00:29:22,559
changed over time but why is the

800
00:29:26,450 --> 00:29:24,840
phenomenon itself changing is it the

801
00:29:28,909 --> 00:29:26,460
result of interactions with different

802
00:29:31,070 --> 00:29:28,919
groups or could there be factors that

803
00:29:32,810 --> 00:29:31,080
are skewing our perception causing us to

804
00:29:34,190 --> 00:29:32,820
view this one phenomenon differently

805
00:29:36,529 --> 00:29:34,200
over time

806
00:29:38,330 --> 00:29:36,539
it turns out that there are and as we

807
00:29:40,669 --> 00:29:38,340
attempt to remain objective about this

808
00:29:42,590 --> 00:29:40,679
topic it's extremely important that we

809
00:29:44,870 --> 00:29:42,600
have an awareness of the many factors

810
00:29:46,970 --> 00:29:44,880
and forces that have influenced and

811
00:29:49,310 --> 00:29:46,980
continued to influence our perception of

812
00:29:50,990 --> 00:29:49,320
UFOs and their occupants one of the most

813
00:29:52,909 --> 00:29:51,000
obvious forces that shapes our

814
00:29:55,490 --> 00:29:52,919
perception of what we would Now call UFO

815
00:29:57,830 --> 00:29:55,500
encounters is the cultural context and

816
00:29:59,750 --> 00:29:57,840
expectations of the times but just

817
00:30:01,370 --> 00:29:59,760
because it's obvious doesn't mean that

818
00:30:03,769 --> 00:30:01,380
it's easy to unravel

819
00:30:05,149 --> 00:30:03,779
what makes this topic so complex is that

820
00:30:07,789 --> 00:30:05,159
we're dealing with something that we

821
00:30:10,250 --> 00:30:07,799
fundamentally don't understand the

822
00:30:12,649 --> 00:30:10,260
experience of a UFO encounter forces a

823
00:30:14,750 --> 00:30:12,659
person to have to explain something for

824
00:30:16,190 --> 00:30:14,760
which they have no real context and no

825
00:30:18,169 --> 00:30:16,200
frame of reference

826
00:30:20,029 --> 00:30:18,179
imagine if you had to explain to a

827
00:30:22,310 --> 00:30:20,039
friend a totally new color that they had

828
00:30:24,409 --> 00:30:22,320
never seen before where would you begin

829
00:30:26,750 --> 00:30:24,419
you might be able to compare it to

830
00:30:29,269 --> 00:30:26,760
certain things you could say it's more

831
00:30:31,130 --> 00:30:29,279
red or more blue more like the first

832
00:30:33,289 --> 00:30:31,140
streaks of Sunrise or more like ocean

833
00:30:35,990 --> 00:30:33,299
foam but you wouldn't be able to

834
00:30:37,490 --> 00:30:36,000
describe the color directly you would

835
00:30:39,409 --> 00:30:37,500
never be able to put the right words

836
00:30:41,149 --> 00:30:39,419
together in the right order to allow

837
00:30:42,470 --> 00:30:41,159
your friend to have a direct experience

838
00:30:43,549 --> 00:30:42,480
of something that they'd never seen

839
00:30:45,230 --> 00:30:43,559
before

840
00:30:46,669 --> 00:30:45,240
whenever we're trying to describe

841
00:30:48,889 --> 00:30:46,679
something for which we don't have a

842
00:30:51,529 --> 00:30:48,899
shared understanding we're put into the

843
00:30:53,450 --> 00:30:51,539
role of the Storyteller no matter how

844
00:30:55,250 --> 00:30:53,460
honest and objective we're attempting to

845
00:30:57,710 --> 00:30:55,260
be in our description of a truly

846
00:30:59,269 --> 00:30:57,720
anomalous experience we're ultimately

847
00:31:01,190 --> 00:30:59,279
stuck with the only tools of

848
00:31:03,830 --> 00:31:01,200
interpretation that are available to us

849
00:31:05,510 --> 00:31:03,840
the myths memes and shared beliefs of

850
00:31:07,789 --> 00:31:05,520
our particular culture

851
00:31:10,130 --> 00:31:07,799
the ancient Romans saw shields in the

852
00:31:13,130 --> 00:31:10,140
sky the witnesses of the bizarre Airship

853
00:31:14,810 --> 00:31:13,140
flap of the 1890s saw Airborne craft

854
00:31:17,450 --> 00:31:14,820
that resembled the types of aircraft

855
00:31:19,789 --> 00:31:17,460
that were already being proposed like a

856
00:31:21,889 --> 00:31:19,799
concept car at a car show they offered a

857
00:31:23,990 --> 00:31:21,899
somewhat zany and over-the-top view of

858
00:31:25,610 --> 00:31:24,000
what the future might hold but it was a

859
00:31:28,250 --> 00:31:25,620
future that they could at least conceive

860
00:31:30,590 --> 00:31:28,260
of and at the moment the humanity began

861
00:31:32,750 --> 00:31:30,600
to take to the skies in Earnest we began

862
00:31:34,250 --> 00:31:32,760
to describe these strange objects as

863
00:31:36,590 --> 00:31:34,260
technological

864
00:31:38,389 --> 00:31:36,600
but as we recognize this there are a

865
00:31:41,029 --> 00:31:38,399
couple of intellectual stumbling blocks

866
00:31:42,889 --> 00:31:41,039
that we need to avoid the first is that

867
00:31:45,409 --> 00:31:42,899
we need to avoid the tendency to

868
00:31:46,850 --> 00:31:45,419
privilege our current world view when we

869
00:31:48,950 --> 00:31:46,860
look at the case of the ancient Romans

870
00:31:50,990 --> 00:31:48,960
we immediately recognize that what they

871
00:31:53,570 --> 00:31:51,000
were seeing in the sky almost certainly

872
00:31:55,549 --> 00:31:53,580
weren't literal flying Shields that was

873
00:31:56,990 --> 00:31:55,559
just the most easily available metaphor

874
00:31:59,330 --> 00:31:57,000
for soldiers who were marching into

875
00:32:01,310 --> 00:31:59,340
battle but we shouldn't allow ourselves

876
00:32:03,110 --> 00:32:01,320
to recognize that without immediately

877
00:32:04,610 --> 00:32:03,120
holding our current world view in

878
00:32:06,769 --> 00:32:04,620
suspicion as well

879
00:32:09,590 --> 00:32:06,779
it's all too easy to fall into the Trap

880
00:32:11,510 --> 00:32:09,600
of assuming that UFOs are no more and no

881
00:32:12,889 --> 00:32:11,520
less than the technological objects that

882
00:32:15,649 --> 00:32:12,899
we've deemed them to be in our current

883
00:32:17,630 --> 00:32:15,659
Paradigm but as you dive into a further

884
00:32:20,690 --> 00:32:17,640
exploration of what people who encounter

885
00:32:23,330 --> 00:32:20,700
UFOs actually describe which you find is

886
00:32:25,010 --> 00:32:23,340
a vast tapestry of phenomena only some

887
00:32:27,350 --> 00:32:25,020
of which sound like they fit into our

888
00:32:29,570 --> 00:32:27,360
cultural view of the UFO as a highly

889
00:32:31,730 --> 00:32:29,580
Advanced technological craft which

890
00:32:34,310 --> 00:32:31,740
carries some kind of intelligent being

891
00:32:36,470 --> 00:32:34,320
yes some UFO sightings include what

892
00:32:39,049 --> 00:32:36,480
appear to be solid craft with lights and

893
00:32:41,690 --> 00:32:39,059
rivets and even portholes but this is

894
00:32:43,850 --> 00:32:41,700
hardly the norm for example much like

895
00:32:46,549 --> 00:32:43,860
the World War II Foo Fighters many

896
00:32:48,710 --> 00:32:46,559
people report seeing orbs or glowing

897
00:32:50,630 --> 00:32:48,720
balls of light in a wide variety of

898
00:32:53,090 --> 00:32:50,640
colors and ranging in size from a

899
00:32:55,190 --> 00:32:53,100
bumblebee to a jetliner there's nothing

900
00:32:56,649 --> 00:32:55,200
about these sorts of UFOs that would

901
00:32:59,269 --> 00:32:56,659
lead us to believe that they are

902
00:33:00,950 --> 00:32:59,279
necessarily technological

903
00:33:03,110 --> 00:33:00,960
and even in the case of the famous

904
00:33:06,110 --> 00:33:03,120
Nimitz incident involving the Tic Tac

905
00:33:08,149 --> 00:33:06,120
that UFO was described as seamless with

906
00:33:10,370 --> 00:33:08,159
no discernible Flight Services or rivets

907
00:33:12,710 --> 00:33:10,380
and no visible means of propulsion

908
00:33:15,529 --> 00:33:12,720
strictly speaking nothing about this

909
00:33:17,149 --> 00:33:15,539
description is technological either we

910
00:33:18,889 --> 00:33:17,159
assume that what we're talking about is

911
00:33:21,049 --> 00:33:18,899
advanced technology because in our

912
00:33:23,269 --> 00:33:21,059
current Paradigm advanced technology is

913
00:33:24,950 --> 00:33:23,279
the only thing that we know of that has

914
00:33:27,470 --> 00:33:24,960
the ability to do things that otherwise

915
00:33:29,450 --> 00:33:27,480
wouldn't be possible but to assume the

916
00:33:31,909 --> 00:33:29,460
technology is the only explanation

917
00:33:34,070 --> 00:33:31,919
overly privileges our worldview and

918
00:33:36,169 --> 00:33:34,080
fails to recognize the one simple truth

919
00:33:39,049 --> 00:33:36,179
that we can never abandon in our quest

920
00:33:41,330 --> 00:33:39,059
to better understand UFOs that we don't

921
00:33:42,950 --> 00:33:41,340
know what we don't know

922
00:33:44,810 --> 00:33:42,960
and the other major intellectual

923
00:33:47,450 --> 00:33:44,820
stumbling block that we need to avoid

924
00:33:49,430 --> 00:33:47,460
here is our tendency to reduce one idea

925
00:33:51,830 --> 00:33:49,440
to another and here's what I mean by

926
00:33:53,509 --> 00:33:51,840
that take for example some notable

927
00:33:55,730 --> 00:33:53,519
descriptions of angels in the Bible

928
00:33:58,490 --> 00:33:55,740
where they are described not as beatific

929
00:34:00,470 --> 00:33:58,500
blue-eyed humanoids with wings but as

930
00:34:02,630 --> 00:34:00,480
monstrous beings constructed of

931
00:34:04,310 --> 00:34:02,640
elaborate concentric spinning rings that

932
00:34:05,810 --> 00:34:04,320
are covered in eyes

933
00:34:08,570 --> 00:34:05,820
regardless of your religious

934
00:34:10,790 --> 00:34:08,580
affiliations or lack thereof I'd argue

935
00:34:12,349 --> 00:34:10,800
that there's value in noticing how a

936
00:34:14,869 --> 00:34:12,359
description like this could be referring

937
00:34:17,389 --> 00:34:14,879
to a UFO encounter this comparison

938
00:34:18,950 --> 00:34:17,399
suggests that ancient people may have

939
00:34:20,750 --> 00:34:18,960
been aware of the same kinds of

940
00:34:23,270 --> 00:34:20,760
anomalous aerial objects that people

941
00:34:25,190 --> 00:34:23,280
report today and the descriptions of

942
00:34:27,230 --> 00:34:25,200
angels could be their attempt to express

943
00:34:28,970 --> 00:34:27,240
the unknown aspects of those Encounters

944
00:34:31,070 --> 00:34:28,980
in words that would have been most

945
00:34:33,230 --> 00:34:31,080
culturally relevant to the time

946
00:34:35,089 --> 00:34:33,240
it's important to recognize that we

947
00:34:37,490 --> 00:34:35,099
can't know for sure whether these two

948
00:34:39,109 --> 00:34:37,500
things are correlated or not but it is

949
00:34:41,329 --> 00:34:39,119
an interesting data point

950
00:34:43,310 --> 00:34:41,339
what we need to avoid however is our

951
00:34:46,310 --> 00:34:43,320
tendency to reduce one idea to the other

952
00:34:48,349 --> 00:34:46,320
even if we could somehow prove that what

953
00:34:50,990 --> 00:34:48,359
are described as angels in the Bible are

954
00:34:53,629 --> 00:34:51,000
the same thing as the UFO phenomenon we

955
00:34:55,909 --> 00:34:53,639
know that in all likelihood neither our

956
00:34:58,730 --> 00:34:55,919
current view of the UFO as a strictly

957
00:35:01,130 --> 00:34:58,740
technological craft nor the ancient view

958
00:35:04,190 --> 00:35:01,140
of the UFO as a metaphysical being or

959
00:35:05,990 --> 00:35:04,200
messenger of God are accurate they are

960
00:35:07,910 --> 00:35:06,000
interpretations that are deeply

961
00:35:09,230 --> 00:35:07,920
influenced by the cultural context in

962
00:35:11,030 --> 00:35:09,240
which they arose

963
00:35:13,069 --> 00:35:11,040
so we need to avoid the Instinct that

964
00:35:15,290 --> 00:35:13,079
often arises when we begin to notice

965
00:35:18,109 --> 00:35:15,300
connections like these to assume that

966
00:35:20,150 --> 00:35:18,119
all UFOs are actually Angels or that

967
00:35:23,569 --> 00:35:20,160
what ancient people described as angels

968
00:35:26,450 --> 00:35:23,579
are all actually UFOs one idea isn't

969
00:35:27,770 --> 00:35:26,460
reducible to the other at best they

970
00:35:29,390 --> 00:35:27,780
represent two very different

971
00:35:31,310 --> 00:35:29,400
perspectives on something that is

972
00:35:33,470 --> 00:35:31,320
ultimately unfathomable

973
00:35:35,210 --> 00:35:33,480
so to get closer to the truth about what

974
00:35:37,730 --> 00:35:35,220
the UFO phenomenon might actually

975
00:35:40,010 --> 00:35:37,740
represent we have to detach ourselves

976
00:35:42,829 --> 00:35:40,020
from these labels and do our best to see

977
00:35:44,990 --> 00:35:42,839
not just past them but through them

978
00:35:47,089 --> 00:35:45,000
this approach to understanding the UFO

979
00:35:48,710 --> 00:35:47,099
phenomenon reminds me of the Magic Eye

980
00:35:50,930 --> 00:35:48,720
books that I used to love when I was a

981
00:35:53,450 --> 00:35:50,940
kid if you looked at any page of the

982
00:35:55,250 --> 00:35:53,460
book it just looked like noise colors

983
00:35:57,410 --> 00:35:55,260
and shapes jumbled together in no

984
00:35:59,569 --> 00:35:57,420
discernible pattern but when you stop

985
00:36:02,089 --> 00:35:59,579
focusing on any particular part of the

986
00:36:03,589 --> 00:36:02,099
page when you're able to relax and taken

987
00:36:05,030 --> 00:36:03,599
the whole picture without trying to get

988
00:36:07,609 --> 00:36:05,040
it to resolve into anything in

989
00:36:10,010 --> 00:36:07,619
particular when you let your gaze soften

990
00:36:12,650 --> 00:36:10,020
and the colors begin to run together

991
00:36:15,230 --> 00:36:12,660
suddenly something new and unexpected

992
00:36:17,630 --> 00:36:15,240
begins to emerge you see a fully

993
00:36:20,390 --> 00:36:17,640
realized 3D shape popping out at you

994
00:36:22,250 --> 00:36:20,400
from what a moment ago was only noise

995
00:36:24,770 --> 00:36:22,260
and it works the same way with the UFO

996
00:36:26,870 --> 00:36:24,780
phenomenon if we try to look too closely

997
00:36:28,970 --> 00:36:26,880
at one particular piece of it or if we

998
00:36:31,370 --> 00:36:28,980
try to make it fit into some idea in our

999
00:36:34,069 --> 00:36:31,380
heads of what we think it should be the

1000
00:36:35,810 --> 00:36:34,079
result is only noise and confusion but

1001
00:36:37,490 --> 00:36:35,820
when we allow ourselves to take in the

1002
00:36:39,349 --> 00:36:37,500
whole picture without becoming too

1003
00:36:41,690 --> 00:36:39,359
attached to any particular part of it

1004
00:36:44,089 --> 00:36:41,700
when we look past what is most obvious

1005
00:36:45,770 --> 00:36:44,099
and allow ourselves to relax into the

1006
00:36:48,710 --> 00:36:45,780
unexpected patterns and shapes that

1007
00:36:50,870 --> 00:36:48,720
emerge we can begin to make some kind of

1008
00:36:52,849 --> 00:36:50,880
sense out of what we're seeing

1009
00:36:55,130 --> 00:36:52,859
another Major Force that has shaped our

1010
00:36:57,290 --> 00:36:55,140
perception of the UFO phenomenon is the

1011
00:36:59,089 --> 00:36:57,300
government it's very important to make

1012
00:37:00,710 --> 00:36:59,099
clear that there is very little that we

1013
00:37:03,650 --> 00:37:00,720
know for sure when it comes to the UFO

1014
00:37:05,750 --> 00:37:03,660
phenomenon but one thing that we do have

1015
00:37:08,150 --> 00:37:05,760
evidence to support Beyond A Reasonable

1016
00:37:10,670 --> 00:37:08,160
Doubt is that whatever the UFO

1017
00:37:13,190 --> 00:37:10,680
phenomenon is the government has been

1018
00:37:15,650 --> 00:37:13,200
lying to us about it from day one and

1019
00:37:18,410 --> 00:37:15,660
this pattern continues to this day

1020
00:37:20,329 --> 00:37:18,420
this isn't speculation or conspiracy

1021
00:37:22,069 --> 00:37:20,339
theory this is the only logical

1022
00:37:23,630 --> 00:37:22,079
conclusion that can be drawn from the

1023
00:37:25,490 --> 00:37:23,640
evidence available in official

1024
00:37:28,730 --> 00:37:25,500
government documents that the government

1025
00:37:30,530 --> 00:37:28,740
themselves have released to the public

1026
00:37:33,589 --> 00:37:30,540
let's take the example of the Roswell

1027
00:37:35,750 --> 00:37:33,599
crash in the years since 1947 the US

1028
00:37:38,390 --> 00:37:35,760
government has changed their story no

1029
00:37:40,490 --> 00:37:38,400
fewer than four times while the initial

1030
00:37:42,530 --> 00:37:40,500
press release from Roswell Army Airfield

1031
00:37:45,109 --> 00:37:42,540
claimed that they had recovered a flying

1032
00:37:47,089 --> 00:37:45,119
disc by the next day the official

1033
00:37:48,470 --> 00:37:47,099
explanation was that the crash debris

1034
00:37:51,290 --> 00:37:48,480
was actually from a downed weather

1035
00:37:52,910 --> 00:37:51,300
balloon years later it was blamed on a

1036
00:37:55,550 --> 00:37:52,920
high altitude device engaged in

1037
00:37:58,010 --> 00:37:55,560
monitoring Soviet weapons programs and

1038
00:38:00,349 --> 00:37:58,020
then much later it changed again to

1039
00:38:02,750 --> 00:38:00,359
dubiously include crash dummies that

1040
00:38:04,430 --> 00:38:02,760
were allegedly dropped nearby in some

1041
00:38:06,530 --> 00:38:04,440
kind of an unrelated training exercise

1042
00:38:07,550 --> 00:38:06,540
in order to account for the reports of

1043
00:38:10,490 --> 00:38:07,560
bodies

1044
00:38:11,990 --> 00:38:10,500
but we know for a fact that even as they

1045
00:38:14,390 --> 00:38:12,000
were explaining the events of Roswell

1046
00:38:17,150 --> 00:38:14,400
away the increasing reports of flying

1047
00:38:19,609 --> 00:38:17,160
discs in the summer of 1947 were being

1048
00:38:21,290 --> 00:38:19,619
taken very seriously at the highest

1049
00:38:24,470 --> 00:38:21,300
levels of our government

1050
00:38:27,230 --> 00:38:24,480
in September of 1947 two months after

1051
00:38:29,030 --> 00:38:27,240
Roswell General Nathan F twinning the

1052
00:38:32,030 --> 00:38:29,040
commander of the air material command

1053
00:38:35,030 --> 00:38:32,040
wrote in a now famous letter that flying

1054
00:38:37,490 --> 00:38:35,040
saucers are quote something real and not

1055
00:38:39,650 --> 00:38:37,500
Visionary or fictitious and that they

1056
00:38:41,870 --> 00:38:39,660
posed a risk to National Security that

1057
00:38:44,990 --> 00:38:41,880
needed to be taken seriously

1058
00:38:46,970 --> 00:38:45,000
by the end of 1947 the CIA had been

1059
00:38:49,130 --> 00:38:46,980
formed the Air Force was broken off into

1060
00:38:51,770 --> 00:38:49,140
its own branch of the army and project

1061
00:38:53,810 --> 00:38:51,780
sign which later became project Grudge

1062
00:38:56,569 --> 00:38:53,820
and then Project Blue Book had been

1063
00:38:58,910 --> 00:38:56,579
created to study the UFO phenomenon

1064
00:39:00,230 --> 00:38:58,920
so we have every indication that this

1065
00:39:03,230 --> 00:39:00,240
was something that the government was

1066
00:39:05,089 --> 00:39:03,240
taking very seriously even as they waved

1067
00:39:08,390 --> 00:39:05,099
it away with stories of weather balloons

1068
00:39:10,970 --> 00:39:08,400
and freak weather phenomena in the media

1069
00:39:13,130 --> 00:39:10,980
and speaking of project sign Grudge and

1070
00:39:14,990 --> 00:39:13,140
Blue Book it's pretty clear to anyone

1071
00:39:17,210 --> 00:39:15,000
taking the time to really look that

1072
00:39:19,190 --> 00:39:17,220
these programs were put in place not for

1073
00:39:21,410 --> 00:39:19,200
the purpose of actually studying the UFO

1074
00:39:23,390 --> 00:39:21,420
phenomenon but in order to manage the

1075
00:39:25,190 --> 00:39:23,400
perception of UFOs with the goal of

1076
00:39:26,150 --> 00:39:25,200
ultimately debunking their existence to

1077
00:39:28,790 --> 00:39:26,160
the public

1078
00:39:30,950 --> 00:39:28,800
we could spend hours digging into all of

1079
00:39:33,349 --> 00:39:30,960
the evidence to support that claim but

1080
00:39:35,450 --> 00:39:33,359
the most compelling and the most damning

1081
00:39:37,430 --> 00:39:35,460
evidence comes directly from the people

1082
00:39:40,430 --> 00:39:37,440
who were leading these programs

1083
00:39:41,990 --> 00:39:40,440
for example Edward J Rupel an officer in

1084
00:39:44,210 --> 00:39:42,000
the United States Air Force and the

1085
00:39:47,569 --> 00:39:44,220
director of Project Blue Book from 1951

1086
00:39:49,490 --> 00:39:47,579
to 1952 had several criticisms of the

1087
00:39:51,530 --> 00:39:49,500
government's handling of the project

1088
00:39:53,270 --> 00:39:51,540
repel felt that the Air Force was not

1089
00:39:55,910 --> 00:39:53,280
taking the investigation of UFOs

1090
00:39:58,069 --> 00:39:55,920
seriously enough he criticized the lack

1091
00:40:00,230 --> 00:39:58,079
of resources and Personnel dedicated to

1092
00:40:02,150 --> 00:40:00,240
the project and felt that the effort was

1093
00:40:03,829 --> 00:40:02,160
underfunded and understaffed for the

1094
00:40:05,810 --> 00:40:03,839
enormity of its mission

1095
00:40:08,030 --> 00:40:05,820
Rupel believed that the Air Force was

1096
00:40:10,730 --> 00:40:08,040
more interested in public relations and

1097
00:40:13,310 --> 00:40:10,740
debunking UFO reports than in conducting

1098
00:40:16,010 --> 00:40:13,320
a thorough and impartial investigation

1099
00:40:18,650 --> 00:40:16,020
in his 1956 book the report on

1100
00:40:20,089 --> 00:40:18,660
unidentified flying objects rupelt

1101
00:40:22,069 --> 00:40:20,099
criticized the government for its

1102
00:40:24,530 --> 00:40:22,079
dismissive attitude toward many UFO

1103
00:40:26,390 --> 00:40:24,540
sightings he argued that the Air Force

1104
00:40:28,910 --> 00:40:26,400
often rushed to explain away sightings

1105
00:40:31,609 --> 00:40:28,920
with insufficient evidence and failed to

1106
00:40:33,770 --> 00:40:31,619
thoroughly investigate many cases he

1107
00:40:35,390 --> 00:40:33,780
also criticized the official policy of

1108
00:40:37,970 --> 00:40:35,400
debunking sightings as a matter of

1109
00:40:39,890 --> 00:40:37,980
course regardless of the evidence and

1110
00:40:41,990 --> 00:40:39,900
felt that this policy was undermining

1111
00:40:43,190 --> 00:40:42,000
The credibility of the Air Force and the

1112
00:40:45,589 --> 00:40:43,200
U.S government

1113
00:40:47,390 --> 00:40:45,599
RuPaul also criticized the lack of

1114
00:40:50,030 --> 00:40:47,400
scientific rigor in the investigations

1115
00:40:51,890 --> 00:40:50,040
he felt that the Air Force was not using

1116
00:40:54,109 --> 00:40:51,900
the best available scientific methods

1117
00:40:56,750 --> 00:40:54,119
and expertise to analyze the data and

1118
00:40:58,790 --> 00:40:56,760
evidence from UFO sightings he argued

1119
00:41:01,490 --> 00:40:58,800
for a more open and scientific approach

1120
00:41:03,470 --> 00:41:01,500
to the investigation of UFOs including

1121
00:41:06,170 --> 00:41:03,480
the use of external experts in the

1122
00:41:08,150 --> 00:41:06,180
publication of data and findings another

1123
00:41:11,150 --> 00:41:08,160
notable Project Blue Book participant

1124
00:41:13,790 --> 00:41:11,160
who later became a detractor was Dr J

1125
00:41:15,650 --> 00:41:13,800
Allen heineck heineck was an astronomer

1126
00:41:19,970 --> 00:41:15,660
and Scientific Advisor to Project Blue

1127
00:41:21,770 --> 00:41:19,980
Book from 1952 until its end in 1969 and

1128
00:41:23,329 --> 00:41:21,780
he had several criticisms of the project

1129
00:41:25,430 --> 00:41:23,339
and the government's approach to

1130
00:41:27,890 --> 00:41:25,440
investigating UFO sightings

1131
00:41:30,050 --> 00:41:27,900
heinek began as a skeptic helping the

1132
00:41:32,690 --> 00:41:30,060
U.S Air Force debunk numerous UFO

1133
00:41:35,150 --> 00:41:32,700
sightings in fact he is the originator

1134
00:41:37,490 --> 00:41:35,160
of the infamous swamp gas explanation

1135
00:41:39,310 --> 00:41:37,500
and laid the groundwork for many of the

1136
00:41:42,890 --> 00:41:39,320
debunking techniques still used today

1137
00:41:45,170 --> 00:41:42,900
but over time his views evolved both due

1138
00:41:47,270 --> 00:41:45,180
to the strength of the evidence and his

1139
00:41:50,030 --> 00:41:47,280
growing concern about several aspects of

1140
00:41:51,890 --> 00:41:50,040
Project Blue Book his main concern was

1141
00:41:54,770 --> 00:41:51,900
the lack of scientific rigor in the

1142
00:41:56,390 --> 00:41:54,780
investigations like rupelp he also

1143
00:41:58,430 --> 00:41:56,400
believed that the Air Force often

1144
00:42:00,829 --> 00:41:58,440
dismissed UFO sightings prematurely

1145
00:42:03,890 --> 00:42:00,839
without conducting thorough scientific

1146
00:42:05,930 --> 00:42:03,900
investigations moreover he criticized

1147
00:42:07,790 --> 00:42:05,940
the absence of specialized scientific

1148
00:42:10,250 --> 00:42:07,800
Personnel on the project

1149
00:42:12,170 --> 00:42:10,260
heineck also voiced criticism over what

1150
00:42:15,050 --> 00:42:12,180
he perceived as the Project's primary

1151
00:42:17,210 --> 00:42:15,060
goal debunking UFO sightings to quell

1152
00:42:19,190 --> 00:42:17,220
public anxiety rather than thoroughly

1153
00:42:21,410 --> 00:42:19,200
investigating each incident

1154
00:42:24,109 --> 00:42:21,420
this approach in his view was

1155
00:42:25,670 --> 00:42:24,119
fundamentally unscientific and led to

1156
00:42:27,950 --> 00:42:25,680
the dismissal of sightings that couldn't

1157
00:42:29,870 --> 00:42:27,960
be easily explained another point of

1158
00:42:31,430 --> 00:42:29,880
contention for heinek was the disregard

1159
00:42:33,530 --> 00:42:31,440
for credible Witnesses and physical

1160
00:42:35,810 --> 00:42:33,540
evidence associated with the UFO

1161
00:42:37,490 --> 00:42:35,820
sightings he believed this approach

1162
00:42:40,069 --> 00:42:37,500
undermined the Integrity of the

1163
00:42:41,630 --> 00:42:40,079
investigations and dismissed potentially

1164
00:42:44,030 --> 00:42:41,640
valuable data

1165
00:42:46,310 --> 00:42:44,040
finally heineck criticized the limited

1166
00:42:47,870 --> 00:42:46,320
scope of Project Blue Book he argued

1167
00:42:49,849 --> 00:42:47,880
that the project didn't adequately

1168
00:42:52,609 --> 00:42:49,859
consider the larger implications of the

1169
00:42:54,349 --> 00:42:52,619
UFO phenomenon and lacked ambition in

1170
00:42:55,910 --> 00:42:54,359
its attempts to explain it

1171
00:42:57,710 --> 00:42:55,920
though he had once been a skeptic

1172
00:42:59,990 --> 00:42:57,720
following the end of Project Blue Book

1173
00:43:03,410 --> 00:43:00,000
heinek's criticisms led him to establish

1174
00:43:04,970 --> 00:43:03,420
the center for UFO studies in 1973.

1175
00:43:06,829 --> 00:43:04,980
he was a friend and frequent

1176
00:43:09,950 --> 00:43:06,839
collaborator of The Godfather of modern

1177
00:43:11,690 --> 00:43:09,960
ufology Jacques filet and was a valued

1178
00:43:15,349 --> 00:43:11,700
researcher and contributor within the

1179
00:43:17,390 --> 00:43:15,359
UFO Community until his death in 1986.

1180
00:43:19,430 --> 00:43:17,400
in an interview a year before his death

1181
00:43:22,670 --> 00:43:19,440
when asked what caused his change of

1182
00:43:25,609 --> 00:43:22,680
opinion on UFOs heineck responded quote

1183
00:43:27,829 --> 00:43:25,619
two things really one was the completely

1184
00:43:30,230 --> 00:43:27,839
negative and unyielding attitude of the

1185
00:43:32,030 --> 00:43:30,240
Air Force they wouldn't give UFOs the

1186
00:43:33,530 --> 00:43:32,040
chance of existing even if they were

1187
00:43:34,670 --> 00:43:33,540
flying up and down the street in broad

1188
00:43:37,490 --> 00:43:34,680
daylight

1189
00:43:39,170 --> 00:43:37,500
everything had to have an explanation I

1190
00:43:41,390 --> 00:43:39,180
began to resent that even though I

1191
00:43:42,530 --> 00:43:41,400
basically felt the same way because I

1192
00:43:44,750 --> 00:43:42,540
still thought that they weren't going

1193
00:43:46,370 --> 00:43:44,760
about it in the right way you can't

1194
00:43:47,450 --> 00:43:46,380
assume that everything is black no

1195
00:43:49,609 --> 00:43:47,460
matter what

1196
00:43:51,530 --> 00:43:49,619
secondly the caliber of the witnesses

1197
00:43:53,150 --> 00:43:51,540
began to trouble me quite a few

1198
00:43:55,670 --> 00:43:53,160
instances were reported by military

1199
00:43:58,010 --> 00:43:55,680
Pilots for example and I knew them to be

1200
00:44:00,170 --> 00:43:58,020
fairly well trained so this is when I

1201
00:44:02,150 --> 00:44:00,180
first began to think that well maybe

1202
00:44:03,230 --> 00:44:02,160
there was something to all this end

1203
00:44:05,930 --> 00:44:03,240
quote

1204
00:44:08,210 --> 00:44:05,940
so from both rupelt and heineck we're

1205
00:44:10,069 --> 00:44:08,220
getting more or less the same story and

1206
00:44:12,890 --> 00:44:10,079
we see the same pattern emerge again

1207
00:44:14,390 --> 00:44:12,900
when Luis Elizondo former director of

1208
00:44:17,270 --> 00:44:14,400
the advanced Aerospace threat

1209
00:44:19,670 --> 00:44:17,280
identification program or atip resigned

1210
00:44:22,130 --> 00:44:19,680
from his position in protest in 2017.

1211
00:44:23,870 --> 00:44:22,140
here is what he said in his letter to

1212
00:44:25,730 --> 00:44:23,880
former Secretary of Defense General

1213
00:44:28,550 --> 00:44:25,740
James Mattis

1214
00:44:30,290 --> 00:44:28,560
Mr secretary it has been my sincere

1215
00:44:31,910 --> 00:44:30,300
honor and pleasure to have served with

1216
00:44:35,329 --> 00:44:31,920
some of America's Finest men and women

1217
00:44:37,430 --> 00:44:35,339
in both peacetime and in war for over 22

1218
00:44:40,069 --> 00:44:37,440
years I have been blessed to learn from

1219
00:44:42,349 --> 00:44:40,079
and work with world-class leadership you

1220
00:44:44,510 --> 00:44:42,359
certainly being among the very best

1221
00:44:46,250 --> 00:44:44,520
with that in mind bureaucratic

1222
00:44:48,170 --> 00:44:46,260
challenges and inflexible mindsets

1223
00:44:50,270 --> 00:44:48,180
continue to plague the department at all

1224
00:44:52,130 --> 00:44:50,280
levels this is particularly true

1225
00:44:54,710 --> 00:44:52,140
regarding the controversial topic of

1226
00:44:56,329 --> 00:44:54,720
anomalous Aerospace threats despite

1227
00:44:58,550 --> 00:44:56,339
overwhelming evidence at both the

1228
00:45:00,650 --> 00:44:58,560
unclassified and classified levels

1229
00:45:02,750 --> 00:45:00,660
certain individuals in the department

1230
00:45:04,670 --> 00:45:02,760
remain staunchly opposed to further

1231
00:45:06,829 --> 00:45:04,680
research on what could be a tactical

1232
00:45:09,410 --> 00:45:06,839
threat to our Pilots sailors and

1233
00:45:11,569 --> 00:45:09,420
soldiers and perhaps even an existential

1234
00:45:14,270 --> 00:45:11,579
threat to our national security

1235
00:45:15,829 --> 00:45:14,280
in many instances there seems to be a

1236
00:45:18,050 --> 00:45:15,839
direct correlation the phenomena

1237
00:45:19,930 --> 00:45:18,060
exhibits with respect to our nuclear and

1238
00:45:22,010 --> 00:45:19,940
Military capabilities

1239
00:45:23,750 --> 00:45:22,020
underestimating or ignoring these

1240
00:45:25,910 --> 00:45:23,760
potential threats is not in the best

1241
00:45:28,430 --> 00:45:25,920
interest of the department no matter the

1242
00:45:30,290 --> 00:45:28,440
level of political contention there

1243
00:45:32,569 --> 00:45:30,300
remains a vital need to ascertain

1244
00:45:34,910 --> 00:45:32,579
capability and intent of these phenomena

1245
00:45:37,309 --> 00:45:34,920
for the benefit of the Armed Forces the

1246
00:45:42,349 --> 00:45:39,349
for this reason effective the 4th of

1247
00:45:43,910 --> 00:45:42,359
October 2017 I humbly submit my

1248
00:45:45,550 --> 00:45:43,920
resignation in hopes that it will

1249
00:45:48,230 --> 00:45:45,560
encourage you to ask the hard questions

1250
00:45:50,210 --> 00:45:48,240
who else knows what are their

1251
00:45:52,730 --> 00:45:50,220
capabilities and why are we spending

1252
00:45:54,530 --> 00:45:52,740
more time and effort on the issue as I

1253
00:45:56,510 --> 00:45:54,540
transition to a new chapter of my life

1254
00:45:58,190 --> 00:45:56,520
please know that it has been an honor

1255
00:46:00,410 --> 00:45:58,200
and privilege of a lifetime to serve

1256
00:46:02,750 --> 00:46:00,420
with you rest assured no matter where

1257
00:46:04,609 --> 00:46:02,760
the path of my life may lead me I will

1258
00:46:06,650 --> 00:46:04,619
always have the best interest at the

1259
00:46:08,630 --> 00:46:06,660
department and the American people as my

1260
00:46:10,430 --> 00:46:08,640
guiding principle

1261
00:46:12,950 --> 00:46:10,440
something that's important to point out

1262
00:46:15,589 --> 00:46:12,960
is that what is being both alleged and

1263
00:46:17,089 --> 00:46:15,599
alluded to here in elizondo's letter as

1264
00:46:19,550 --> 00:46:17,099
well as in RuPaul's and heineck's

1265
00:46:21,170 --> 00:46:19,560
criticism of Project Blue Book is very

1266
00:46:23,270 --> 00:46:21,180
much aligned with what has been alleged

1267
00:46:24,589 --> 00:46:23,280
by UFO whistleblower David Crush in

1268
00:46:27,589 --> 00:46:24,599
recent days

1269
00:46:29,870 --> 00:46:27,599
established in 2020 the UAP task force

1270
00:46:31,970 --> 00:46:29,880
is a program in the same lineage as atip

1271
00:46:33,650 --> 00:46:31,980
and project sign Grudge and Blue Book

1272
00:46:36,710 --> 00:46:33,660
whose stated mission was the

1273
00:46:38,390 --> 00:46:36,720
investigation of UFOs grush served as a

1274
00:46:42,050 --> 00:46:38,400
member and Lead investigator on this

1275
00:46:44,930 --> 00:46:42,060
task force in 2021 and 2022 and like

1276
00:46:47,150 --> 00:46:44,940
Elizondo heinek and Rupel before him was

1277
00:46:50,030 --> 00:46:47,160
a skeptic who became persuaded the UFO

1278
00:46:51,470 --> 00:46:50,040
phenomenon was both real and posed a

1279
00:46:54,530 --> 00:46:51,480
credible and Urgent threat to National

1280
00:46:56,270 --> 00:46:54,540
Security and like his predecessors he

1281
00:46:57,650 --> 00:46:56,280
alleges that he was not given the

1282
00:47:00,230 --> 00:46:57,660
resources that were needed to

1283
00:47:01,790 --> 00:47:00,240
effectively engage with a task at hand

1284
00:47:03,589 --> 00:47:01,800
but there's one particular line in

1285
00:47:05,390 --> 00:47:03,599
elizondo's resignation letter that

1286
00:47:07,910 --> 00:47:05,400
should stand out to us in the context of

1287
00:47:10,970 --> 00:47:07,920
grush's recent claims which is where he

1288
00:47:12,470 --> 00:47:10,980
says I humbly submit my resignation and

1289
00:47:15,290 --> 00:47:12,480
hopes it will encourage you to ask the

1290
00:47:17,210 --> 00:47:15,300
hard questions who else knows what are

1291
00:47:18,530 --> 00:47:17,220
their capabilities and why aren't we

1292
00:47:19,670 --> 00:47:18,540
spending more time and effort on the

1293
00:47:21,470 --> 00:47:19,680
issue

1294
00:47:23,450 --> 00:47:21,480
given that this letter was addressed

1295
00:47:25,490 --> 00:47:23,460
directly to former Secretary of Defense

1296
00:47:27,650 --> 00:47:25,500
General James Mattis the clear

1297
00:47:30,230 --> 00:47:27,660
implications here are that Elizondo

1298
00:47:32,770 --> 00:47:30,240
believes that one someone else in the

1299
00:47:36,490 --> 00:47:32,780
Department of Defense knows about UFOs

1300
00:47:39,650 --> 00:47:36,500
and two the Secretary of Defense doesn't

1301
00:47:41,210 --> 00:47:39,660
that in and of itself is stunning but

1302
00:47:44,030 --> 00:47:41,220
another thing that stands out to me here

1303
00:47:45,770 --> 00:47:44,040
is the sentence structure Elizondo says

1304
00:47:48,349 --> 00:47:45,780
that he hopes his resignation Spurs

1305
00:47:50,210 --> 00:47:48,359
Mattis to ask these three questions who

1306
00:47:51,710 --> 00:47:50,220
else knows what are their capabilities

1307
00:47:53,210 --> 00:47:51,720
and why are we spending more time and

1308
00:47:55,670 --> 00:47:53,220
effort on the issue

1309
00:47:58,550 --> 00:47:55,680
maybe I'm just being a stickler here but

1310
00:48:01,010 --> 00:47:58,560
it's not obvious who they is in their

1311
00:48:02,809 --> 00:48:01,020
capabilities I think in the past I just

1312
00:48:05,510 --> 00:48:02,819
skimmed right past that part assuming

1313
00:48:07,309 --> 00:48:05,520
that he met the capabilities of uaps

1314
00:48:10,250 --> 00:48:07,319
but on a certain level that doesn't even

1315
00:48:12,770 --> 00:48:10,260
make sense Elizondo has publicly shared

1316
00:48:15,710 --> 00:48:12,780
things like the five observables of uaps

1317
00:48:18,050 --> 00:48:15,720
which include anti-gravity instantaneous

1318
00:48:20,809 --> 00:48:18,060
acceleration Hypersonic speeds without

1319
00:48:23,450 --> 00:48:20,819
signatures low observability and trans

1320
00:48:25,370 --> 00:48:23,460
medium travel and he's also publicly

1321
00:48:27,829 --> 00:48:25,380
acknowledged that UFOs have done things

1322
00:48:29,990 --> 00:48:27,839
like power down nuclear reactors which

1323
00:48:32,510 --> 00:48:30,000
he also alludes to in this letter

1324
00:48:35,089 --> 00:48:32,520
so while we may not know every single

1325
00:48:36,950 --> 00:48:35,099
thing that uaps can do I think we can

1326
00:48:39,170 --> 00:48:36,960
assume that we actually do know quite a

1327
00:48:42,050 --> 00:48:39,180
bit about what they can do even if the

1328
00:48:44,150 --> 00:48:42,060
details on how they do it may elude us

1329
00:48:46,309 --> 00:48:44,160
but it seems weird that the capabilities

1330
00:48:48,470 --> 00:48:46,319
of uaps would be among the hard

1331
00:48:50,870 --> 00:48:48,480
questions that Elizondo hoped the

1332
00:48:52,370 --> 00:48:50,880
General Mattis would ask himself and the

1333
00:48:55,370 --> 00:48:52,380
sentence actually makes more sense if

1334
00:48:57,950 --> 00:48:55,380
read another way as in who else knows

1335
00:48:59,630 --> 00:48:57,960
and what are their capabilities as in

1336
00:49:01,670 --> 00:48:59,640
the people who know

1337
00:49:03,650 --> 00:49:01,680
admittedly I might be reading too much

1338
00:49:05,750 --> 00:49:03,660
into that there's no way to know for

1339
00:49:08,210 --> 00:49:05,760
sure what Elizondo intended here unless

1340
00:49:10,670 --> 00:49:08,220
he tells us I just find it interesting

1341
00:49:13,250 --> 00:49:10,680
but what is clear from looking at the

1342
00:49:15,109 --> 00:49:13,260
Historical programs for studying UFOs is

1343
00:49:17,089 --> 00:49:15,119
that according to many of the very

1344
00:49:19,550 --> 00:49:17,099
intelligence officials who ran them

1345
00:49:21,530 --> 00:49:19,560
these programs were never adequately

1346
00:49:23,390 --> 00:49:21,540
funded or supported and even more

1347
00:49:24,710 --> 00:49:23,400
shocking they likely weren't given all

1348
00:49:27,890 --> 00:49:24,720
the information that would have been

1349
00:49:29,930 --> 00:49:27,900
collected about uaps their main purpose

1350
00:49:33,230 --> 00:49:29,940
seems to have been perception management

1351
00:49:34,970 --> 00:49:33,240
both internally and externally and we

1352
00:49:37,010 --> 00:49:34,980
can see this even today with the latest

1353
00:49:39,470 --> 00:49:37,020
incarnation of a government office for

1354
00:49:41,829 --> 00:49:39,480
investigating uaps the all-domain

1355
00:49:44,329 --> 00:49:41,839
anomaly resolution office or Arrow

1356
00:49:46,609 --> 00:49:44,339
internal documents have shown that while

1357
00:49:48,710 --> 00:49:46,619
arrows spent a mere one hundred thousand

1358
00:49:52,370 --> 00:49:48,720
dollars of its budget to fund a NASA

1359
00:49:55,190 --> 00:49:52,380
investigation into uaps another 1.9

1360
00:49:56,329 --> 00:49:55,200
million was spent on PR in perception

1361
00:49:58,730 --> 00:49:56,339
management

1362
00:50:00,890 --> 00:49:58,740
just as before the government seems to

1363
00:50:03,230 --> 00:50:00,900
be more invested in making a show of

1364
00:50:04,970 --> 00:50:03,240
investigating UFOs than an actually

1365
00:50:07,010 --> 00:50:04,980
investigating them

1366
00:50:08,690 --> 00:50:07,020
I could go on about the many various

1367
00:50:10,790 --> 00:50:08,700
ways that the government has worked to

1368
00:50:13,849 --> 00:50:10,800
manage the perception of UFOs on every

1369
00:50:15,230 --> 00:50:13,859
level both internally and externally we

1370
00:50:17,690 --> 00:50:15,240
don't have time to go into that whole

1371
00:50:19,609 --> 00:50:17,700
story in this episode but they've also

1372
00:50:22,430 --> 00:50:19,619
orchestrated elaborate disinformation

1373
00:50:24,950 --> 00:50:22,440
campaigns within the UFO Community which

1374
00:50:26,450 --> 00:50:24,960
have destroyed lives and careers if

1375
00:50:28,609 --> 00:50:26,460
you'd like to learn more about that you

1376
00:50:31,910 --> 00:50:28,619
can go back to episode 13 and start

1377
00:50:33,950 --> 00:50:31,920
around the 53 minute Mark or I highly

1378
00:50:36,050 --> 00:50:33,960
recommend the book project beta the

1379
00:50:39,109 --> 00:50:36,060
story of Paul benowitz National Security

1380
00:50:41,150 --> 00:50:39,119
and the creation of a modern UFO myth by

1381
00:50:43,309 --> 00:50:41,160
researcher and author Greg Bishop

1382
00:50:45,109 --> 00:50:43,319
another factor that inevitably ends up

1383
00:50:47,450 --> 00:50:45,119
shaping our perception of the UFO

1384
00:50:50,030 --> 00:50:47,460
phenomenon is the media

1385
00:50:51,890 --> 00:50:50,040
the serious study of a topic of UFOs has

1386
00:50:54,290 --> 00:50:51,900
been heavily stigmatized in our culture

1387
00:50:56,150 --> 00:50:54,300
and as a result the sole source of

1388
00:50:58,549 --> 00:50:56,160
information that most people have on the

1389
00:50:59,809 --> 00:50:58,559
subject is how it's portrayed in media

1390
00:51:02,390 --> 00:50:59,819
and entertainment

1391
00:51:04,970 --> 00:51:02,400
and this isn't even necessarily a bad or

1392
00:51:07,430 --> 00:51:04,980
nefarious thing in many ways it's just

1393
00:51:09,049 --> 00:51:07,440
how things are but we still need to be

1394
00:51:11,030 --> 00:51:09,059
aware of the ways in which these

1395
00:51:13,250 --> 00:51:11,040
portrayals in the media can help form

1396
00:51:15,589 --> 00:51:13,260
default assumptions that we have about

1397
00:51:18,290 --> 00:51:15,599
the phenomenon which may be overly

1398
00:51:20,630 --> 00:51:18,300
biased or entirely incorrect

1399
00:51:22,430 --> 00:51:20,640
for example as we've discussed most

1400
00:51:24,890 --> 00:51:22,440
people have a very binary approach to

1401
00:51:27,349 --> 00:51:24,900
the UFO phenomenon either it's something

1402
00:51:29,210 --> 00:51:27,359
entirely prosaic and explainable whether

1403
00:51:32,390 --> 00:51:29,220
that be secret black budget human Tech

1404
00:51:35,030 --> 00:51:32,400
or a mass delusion or it's aliens coming

1405
00:51:36,530 --> 00:51:35,040
here in a spaceship from another galaxy

1406
00:51:38,809 --> 00:51:36,540
and the reason that most people think

1407
00:51:40,670 --> 00:51:38,819
that way is because those are the only

1408
00:51:44,030 --> 00:51:40,680
explanations that have ever really been

1409
00:51:47,630 --> 00:51:44,040
presented to them in movies UFOs equal

1410
00:51:49,250 --> 00:51:47,640
spacecraft equal aliens period it's rare

1411
00:51:51,109 --> 00:51:49,260
to see a film deal with the phenomenon

1412
00:51:54,109 --> 00:51:51,119
in a way that meaningfully challenges

1413
00:51:55,490 --> 00:51:54,119
that paradigm the reality is that when

1414
00:51:56,870 --> 00:51:55,500
we look at the vast array of

1415
00:51:59,329 --> 00:51:56,880
entertainment media that has been

1416
00:52:01,309 --> 00:51:59,339
created about the UFO phenomenon the

1417
00:52:03,349 --> 00:52:01,319
majority Bears very little resemblance

1418
00:52:06,710 --> 00:52:03,359
to the experiences the people actually

1419
00:52:08,569 --> 00:52:06,720
report having with UFOs and the enormity

1420
00:52:10,670 --> 00:52:08,579
of this disconnect is something that has

1421
00:52:12,770 --> 00:52:10,680
led many to question whether or not the

1422
00:52:15,530 --> 00:52:12,780
misrepresentation of the UFO phenomenon

1423
00:52:17,450 --> 00:52:15,540
might actually be intentional

1424
00:52:20,569 --> 00:52:17,460
and there's a level to which we almost

1425
00:52:22,010 --> 00:52:20,579
have to assume that it is in short we

1426
00:52:24,170 --> 00:52:22,020
know that the government has not been

1427
00:52:25,490 --> 00:52:24,180
honest with us about UFOs and we also

1428
00:52:28,250 --> 00:52:25,500
know that the government has used the

1429
00:52:31,549 --> 00:52:28,260
media to sway our opinions about UFOs

1430
00:52:33,950 --> 00:52:31,559
for example in July 1952 in a series of

1431
00:52:36,349 --> 00:52:33,960
incidents over multiple days at least 10

1432
00:52:38,270 --> 00:52:36,359
glowing UFOs were seen by countless

1433
00:52:41,390 --> 00:52:38,280
people in the skies above the White

1434
00:52:43,849 --> 00:52:41,400
House and the U.S Capitol Building at

1435
00:52:46,130 --> 00:52:43,859
one point for six straight hours and

1436
00:52:47,569 --> 00:52:46,140
were trapped on radar at Washington DC's

1437
00:52:49,609 --> 00:52:47,579
National Airport

1438
00:52:51,530 --> 00:52:49,619
fighter jets were scrambled but each

1439
00:52:53,270 --> 00:52:51,540
time they got close to the UFOs they

1440
00:52:55,549 --> 00:52:53,280
disappeared or took off its beads that

1441
00:52:57,710 --> 00:52:55,559
made them impossible to chase the

1442
00:53:00,049 --> 00:52:57,720
incident was Front Page News around the

1443
00:53:01,010 --> 00:53:00,059
globe and even President Truman demanded

1444
00:53:03,349 --> 00:53:01,020
answers

1445
00:53:05,750 --> 00:53:03,359
in order to spin this narrative the

1446
00:53:07,430 --> 00:53:05,760
government relied upon the media in the

1447
00:53:09,770 --> 00:53:07,440
biggest press conference since World War

1448
00:53:12,309 --> 00:53:09,780
II U.S Air Force director of

1449
00:53:14,630 --> 00:53:12,319
intelligence Major General John Sanford

1450
00:53:16,250 --> 00:53:14,640
dismissed these incredible events as

1451
00:53:19,069 --> 00:53:16,260
nothing more than freak weather

1452
00:53:21,170 --> 00:53:19,079
phenomena and yet just three months

1453
00:53:23,210 --> 00:53:21,180
later the cia's assistant director of

1454
00:53:25,849 --> 00:53:23,220
scientific intelligence wrote The

1455
00:53:28,910 --> 00:53:25,859
Following in a now Declassified memo

1456
00:53:30,470 --> 00:53:28,920
quote flying saucers pose two elements

1457
00:53:33,410 --> 00:53:30,480
of danger which have National Security

1458
00:53:35,450 --> 00:53:33,420
implications the first involves Mass

1459
00:53:37,549 --> 00:53:35,460
psychological considerations and the

1460
00:53:39,770 --> 00:53:37,559
second concerns the vulnerability of the

1461
00:53:42,589 --> 00:53:39,780
United States to Air Attack

1462
00:53:45,710 --> 00:53:42,599
so whatever happened in Washington DC in

1463
00:53:47,150 --> 00:53:45,720
1952 what's clear is that The Narrative

1464
00:53:49,250 --> 00:53:47,160
of the government was pushing to the

1465
00:53:51,109 --> 00:53:49,260
public through the media was not at all

1466
00:53:54,650 --> 00:53:51,119
a reflection of what was going on behind

1467
00:53:56,990 --> 00:53:54,660
the scenes and we see this again in 1997

1468
00:53:59,329 --> 00:53:57,000
when a large v-shaped craft was reported

1469
00:54:01,549 --> 00:53:59,339
over Phoenix Arizona this craft was

1470
00:54:04,370 --> 00:54:01,559
visible over a large geographical area

1471
00:54:06,170 --> 00:54:04,380
and was witnessed and even filmed by

1472
00:54:08,390 --> 00:54:06,180
thousands of people from all walks of

1473
00:54:10,970 --> 00:54:08,400
life including Pilots police officers

1474
00:54:12,290 --> 00:54:10,980
and civilians from Vantage points all

1475
00:54:14,630 --> 00:54:12,300
around the city

1476
00:54:16,670 --> 00:54:14,640
in this instance the then governor of

1477
00:54:18,950 --> 00:54:16,680
Phoenix Fife simmington held a press

1478
00:54:21,109 --> 00:54:18,960
conference minimizing and making light

1479
00:54:23,329 --> 00:54:21,119
of the incident in which an aide came on

1480
00:54:25,309 --> 00:54:23,339
stage wearing an alien costume

1481
00:54:27,710 --> 00:54:25,319
witnesses to these events immediately

1482
00:54:30,230 --> 00:54:27,720
voiced their outrage at simmington and

1483
00:54:32,329 --> 00:54:30,240
although he years later expressed regret

1484
00:54:34,609 --> 00:54:32,339
for the press conference stunt and even

1485
00:54:37,370 --> 00:54:34,619
admitted to seeing the craft himself and

1486
00:54:39,170 --> 00:54:37,380
believing it to be otherworldly the

1487
00:54:41,390 --> 00:54:39,180
damage that that press conference did to

1488
00:54:43,609 --> 00:54:41,400
The credibility of witnesses had already

1489
00:54:45,170 --> 00:54:43,619
been done and besides just using the

1490
00:54:47,450 --> 00:54:45,180
media to help spin a particular

1491
00:54:49,190 --> 00:54:47,460
narrative to the public we have evidence

1492
00:54:51,049 --> 00:54:49,200
that the government has often worked to

1493
00:54:52,970 --> 00:54:51,059
disseminate information through the

1494
00:54:54,470 --> 00:54:52,980
media in much more secretive and

1495
00:54:57,049 --> 00:54:54,480
coordinated ways

1496
00:54:59,210 --> 00:54:57,059
in 1970 the church committee which was

1497
00:55:01,549 --> 00:54:59,220
investigating intelligence abuses within

1498
00:55:03,970 --> 00:55:01,559
the government uncovered evidence of a

1499
00:55:06,290 --> 00:55:03,980
program called operation Mockingbird

1500
00:55:08,630 --> 00:55:06,300
operation Mockingbird was a covert

1501
00:55:11,329 --> 00:55:08,640
operation conducted by the CIA during

1502
00:55:13,069 --> 00:55:11,339
the Cold War era the operation was said

1503
00:55:15,410 --> 00:55:13,079
to involve the manipulation and control

1504
00:55:17,690 --> 00:55:15,420
of various media outlets and journalists

1505
00:55:19,910 --> 00:55:17,700
to disseminate propaganda and shape

1506
00:55:21,589 --> 00:55:19,920
public opinion both domestically and

1507
00:55:23,510 --> 00:55:21,599
internationally

1508
00:55:25,309 --> 00:55:23,520
there's evidence that the CIA had

1509
00:55:26,690 --> 00:55:25,319
potentially hundreds of journalists

1510
00:55:28,790 --> 00:55:26,700
working for them as a part of this

1511
00:55:31,069 --> 00:55:28,800
operation and that they were funding

1512
00:55:33,109 --> 00:55:31,079
everything from student organizations to

1513
00:55:35,870 --> 00:55:33,119
magazines in order to help shape public

1514
00:55:37,549 --> 00:55:35,880
opinion on various sensitive topics

1515
00:55:39,230 --> 00:55:37,559
and while nothing definitive ever

1516
00:55:41,210 --> 00:55:39,240
emerged with regard to operation

1517
00:55:43,609 --> 00:55:41,220
Mockingbird and the public perception of

1518
00:55:45,290 --> 00:55:43,619
UFOs given the government's commitment

1519
00:55:48,170 --> 00:55:45,300
to muddying the waters on the UFO

1520
00:55:49,910 --> 00:55:48,180
phenomenon over decades it seems likely

1521
00:55:51,650 --> 00:55:49,920
that more aggressive tactics like these

1522
00:55:53,870 --> 00:55:51,660
were used as well

1523
00:55:56,089 --> 00:55:53,880
yet while there is significant evidence

1524
00:55:58,130 --> 00:55:56,099
to suggest that the misrepresentation of

1525
00:56:00,589 --> 00:55:58,140
the UFO phenomenon in the media has been

1526
00:56:03,170 --> 00:56:00,599
intentional I'd argue that that isn't

1527
00:56:04,849 --> 00:56:03,180
the entire story many of the distortions

1528
00:56:07,010 --> 00:56:04,859
and how the media represents the

1529
00:56:09,170 --> 00:56:07,020
phenomenon are just a function of how

1530
00:56:12,049 --> 00:56:09,180
the media fundamentally works

1531
00:56:14,089 --> 00:56:12,059
for instance in his 1977 film Close

1532
00:56:16,370 --> 00:56:14,099
Encounters of the Third Kind Steven

1533
00:56:18,349 --> 00:56:16,380
Spielberg actually did a fairly good job

1534
00:56:20,809 --> 00:56:18,359
of showing some of the weirder aspects

1535
00:56:23,089 --> 00:56:20,819
of encounters with UFOs including

1536
00:56:25,309 --> 00:56:23,099
electrical disturbances the appearance

1537
00:56:26,870 --> 00:56:25,319
of strange Burns and even the emergence

1538
00:56:29,569 --> 00:56:26,880
of psychic phenomena including

1539
00:56:31,250 --> 00:56:29,579
precognitive dreams all of these things

1540
00:56:33,410 --> 00:56:31,260
are well documented in the work of

1541
00:56:35,990 --> 00:56:33,420
Godfather of modern ufology Jacques

1542
00:56:38,329 --> 00:56:36,000
filet on whom he based the character of

1543
00:56:40,430 --> 00:56:38,339
scientist Claude Lacombe it was clear

1544
00:56:42,650 --> 00:56:40,440
that Spielberg had done its homework

1545
00:56:44,809 --> 00:56:42,660
however a scene that was reportedly not

1546
00:56:46,670 --> 00:56:44,819
approved of by valet and which certainly

1547
00:56:48,410 --> 00:56:46,680
ran counter to the patterns laid out in

1548
00:56:51,589 --> 00:56:48,420
his decades-long investigation into the

1549
00:56:54,349 --> 00:56:51,599
UFO phenomenon is the final scene where

1550
00:56:55,670 --> 00:56:54,359
spoiler alert the craft lands and the

1551
00:56:57,770 --> 00:56:55,680
beings show themselves publicly

1552
00:57:00,109 --> 00:56:57,780
revealing a more or less coherent

1553
00:57:02,510 --> 00:57:00,119
motivation for their contact with humans

1554
00:57:04,549 --> 00:57:02,520
that part Bears virtually no resemblance

1555
00:57:07,190 --> 00:57:04,559
to the experiences reported by those who

1556
00:57:09,109 --> 00:57:07,200
claim to have contact with UFOs these

1557
00:57:11,150 --> 00:57:09,119
contact events tend to be much more

1558
00:57:12,589 --> 00:57:11,160
bizarre and much less linear than

1559
00:57:13,790 --> 00:57:12,599
anything that could be summed up in a

1560
00:57:16,430 --> 00:57:13,800
Hollywood film

1561
00:57:18,109 --> 00:57:16,440
and that's exactly the point in

1562
00:57:20,809 --> 00:57:18,119
Hollywood you need to provide the

1563
00:57:23,089 --> 00:57:20,819
audience with an ending Secrets must be

1564
00:57:25,069 --> 00:57:23,099
revealed rising action must have a

1565
00:57:26,390 --> 00:57:25,079
resolution characters within the

1566
00:57:29,270 --> 00:57:26,400
narrative need to have a clear

1567
00:57:31,069 --> 00:57:29,280
motivation that's what a story is that's

1568
00:57:33,470 --> 00:57:31,079
what people respond to

1569
00:57:35,270 --> 00:57:33,480
but those things are also clearly and

1570
00:57:37,430 --> 00:57:35,280
demonstrably opposed to the ways that

1571
00:57:40,430 --> 00:57:37,440
the UFO phenomenon reveals itself in the

1572
00:57:42,170 --> 00:57:40,440
course of human experience and so in our

1573
00:57:44,089 --> 00:57:42,180
attempts to wrestle the phenomenon into

1574
00:57:46,370 --> 00:57:44,099
some kind of a coherent story that we

1575
00:57:48,950 --> 00:57:46,380
can share we inevitably end up

1576
00:57:51,710 --> 00:57:48,960
misrepresenting how encounters with UFOs

1577
00:57:53,750 --> 00:57:51,720
fundamentally operate and there's one

1578
00:57:56,569 --> 00:57:53,760
other major force that is likely shaping

1579
00:57:58,609 --> 00:57:56,579
our perception of a UFO phenomenon which

1580
00:58:00,710 --> 00:57:58,619
is the phenomenon itself

1581
00:58:02,569 --> 00:58:00,720
this one is harder to explain and

1582
00:58:04,549 --> 00:58:02,579
frankly it could be an episode all on

1583
00:58:06,230 --> 00:58:04,559
its own but it all comes back to the

1584
00:58:07,730 --> 00:58:06,240
idea that if we're dealing with an

1585
00:58:10,430 --> 00:58:07,740
advanced intelligence that has a

1586
00:58:13,370 --> 00:58:10,440
presence on this planet it's logical to

1587
00:58:15,049 --> 00:58:13,380
conclude two things one they most likely

1588
00:58:17,870 --> 00:58:15,059
want to control our perception of them

1589
00:58:19,790 --> 00:58:17,880
and two they probably have ways of

1590
00:58:21,290 --> 00:58:19,800
managing our perception that are far

1591
00:58:22,849 --> 00:58:21,300
beyond methods with which we are

1592
00:58:25,069 --> 00:58:22,859
currently familiar

1593
00:58:27,109 --> 00:58:25,079
so let's start with the first one why

1594
00:58:29,210 --> 00:58:27,119
would the intelligence behind UFOs want

1595
00:58:31,790 --> 00:58:29,220
to control our perception of them

1596
00:58:33,109 --> 00:58:31,800
there are a lot of potential reasons it

1597
00:58:35,270 --> 00:58:33,119
could be that there exists something

1598
00:58:37,190 --> 00:58:35,280
like the prime directive from Star Trek

1599
00:58:38,750 --> 00:58:37,200
that discourages other more highly

1600
00:58:41,270 --> 00:58:38,760
Advanced intelligent species from

1601
00:58:43,490 --> 00:58:41,280
interacting with us in more obvious ways

1602
00:58:45,349 --> 00:58:43,500
or it could be strategically motivated

1603
00:58:46,609 --> 00:58:45,359
in the same way that we do our best to

1604
00:58:47,870 --> 00:58:46,619
hide our capabilities and our

1605
00:58:49,250 --> 00:58:47,880
motivations from our potential

1606
00:58:51,470 --> 00:58:49,260
adversaries

1607
00:58:53,270 --> 00:58:51,480
Jacques filet has posited that the UFO

1608
00:58:56,210 --> 00:58:53,280
phenomenon might be some kind of a

1609
00:58:57,650 --> 00:58:56,220
control mechanism on Humanity the idea

1610
00:58:59,150 --> 00:58:57,660
is that the bizarre and often

1611
00:59:01,130 --> 00:58:59,160
life-altering encounters that people

1612
00:59:03,710 --> 00:59:01,140
have with the impossible and the unknown

1613
00:59:05,569 --> 00:59:03,720
serves the purpose of introducing and

1614
00:59:07,970 --> 00:59:05,579
extracting various myths from our

1615
00:59:10,490 --> 00:59:07,980
culture over time in order to drive

1616
00:59:12,829 --> 00:59:10,500
certain changes in agendas

1617
00:59:14,329 --> 00:59:12,839
at the end of the day though we have no

1618
00:59:16,010 --> 00:59:14,339
real way of knowing what the motivations

1619
00:59:19,190 --> 00:59:16,020
of the intelligence behind the UFO

1620
00:59:20,690 --> 00:59:19,200
phenomenon might be we have no idea why

1621
00:59:22,609 --> 00:59:20,700
they seem to be concealing their

1622
00:59:24,710 --> 00:59:22,619
motivations and strategically managing

1623
00:59:26,990 --> 00:59:24,720
our perception of them we just know that

1624
00:59:29,450 --> 00:59:27,000
they very likely are the classic

1625
00:59:31,190 --> 00:59:29,460
question of why don't UFOs just land on

1626
00:59:32,809 --> 00:59:31,200
the White House lawn grossly

1627
00:59:34,789 --> 00:59:32,819
oversimplifies what contact between

1628
00:59:37,250 --> 00:59:34,799
humanity and an advanced intelligence

1629
00:59:38,569 --> 00:59:37,260
would likely entail but it does manage

1630
00:59:40,250 --> 00:59:38,579
to get to the heart of one of the most

1631
00:59:42,470 --> 00:59:40,260
profound questions about the UFO

1632
00:59:44,630 --> 00:59:42,480
phenomenon which is why don't they just

1633
00:59:46,730 --> 00:59:44,640
tell us what they want and the most

1634
00:59:47,870 --> 00:59:46,740
obvious answer is because they don't

1635
00:59:50,030 --> 00:59:47,880
want to

1636
00:59:51,589 --> 00:59:50,040
which brings us to the question of how

1637
00:59:53,510 --> 00:59:51,599
the intelligence behind the phenomenon

1638
00:59:55,849 --> 00:59:53,520
might be controlling our perception of

1639
00:59:57,770 --> 00:59:55,859
it we already discussed valet's control

1640
00:59:59,630 --> 00:59:57,780
mechanism but there are a multitude of

1641
01:00:01,010 --> 00:59:59,640
other clues about their methods that we

1642
01:00:02,270 --> 01:00:01,020
can find throughout records of witness

1643
01:00:04,910 --> 01:00:02,280
accounts

1644
01:00:07,609 --> 01:00:04,920
people who encounter UFOs particularly

1645
01:00:09,829 --> 01:00:07,619
up close tend to report strange things

1646
01:00:12,950 --> 01:00:09,839
like telepathic communication from

1647
01:00:15,349 --> 01:00:12,960
strange beings missing time and altered

1648
01:00:17,809 --> 01:00:15,359
memories all of these things point to

1649
01:00:19,789 --> 01:00:17,819
some kind of methods or technology being

1650
01:00:22,490 --> 01:00:19,799
used to literally control and influence

1651
01:00:25,069 --> 01:00:22,500
our minds so it seems likely that the

1652
01:00:26,690 --> 01:00:25,079
phenomenon is doing exactly that and

1653
01:00:29,390 --> 01:00:26,700
probably in ways that we can't yet

1654
01:00:32,630 --> 01:00:29,400
anticipate or identify

1655
01:00:33,950 --> 01:00:32,640
all right so where does this leave us if

1656
01:00:35,510 --> 01:00:33,960
you're getting the sense that in trying

1657
01:00:37,190 --> 01:00:35,520
to find our way through this topic that

1658
01:00:39,530 --> 01:00:37,200
we've only gotten ourselves more lost

1659
01:00:42,770 --> 01:00:39,540
just know that you're not alone in that

1660
01:00:44,210 --> 01:00:42,780
that's generally how this goes but if

1661
01:00:46,849 --> 01:00:44,220
this is your first time venturing Into

1662
01:00:48,410 --> 01:00:46,859
the Dark Forest of the UFO topic I can

1663
01:00:49,430 --> 01:00:48,420
promise you that it gets easier over

1664
01:00:51,410 --> 01:00:49,440
time

1665
01:00:53,750 --> 01:00:51,420
as you get the lay of the land all of

1666
01:00:55,670 --> 01:00:53,760
this will get easier to navigate and

1667
01:00:57,950 --> 01:00:55,680
although you will likely find that over

1668
01:00:59,870 --> 01:00:57,960
time you have a harder and harder time

1669
01:01:02,809 --> 01:00:59,880
saying for sure what you think the UFO

1670
01:01:04,849 --> 01:01:02,819
phenomenon is you'll also find that

1671
01:01:06,650 --> 01:01:04,859
you're able to talk and think deeply

1672
01:01:08,690 --> 01:01:06,660
about it in ways that are ultimately

1673
01:01:10,670 --> 01:01:08,700
much more productive than a canned

1674
01:01:12,710 --> 01:01:10,680
answer could ever be

1675
01:01:14,930 --> 01:01:12,720
but with all of the conflicting reports

1676
01:01:16,370 --> 01:01:14,940
and all of our own cultural biases and

1677
01:01:17,809 --> 01:01:16,380
the manipulation of the government and

1678
01:01:20,390 --> 01:01:17,819
the media and perhaps even the

1679
01:01:22,849 --> 01:01:20,400
phenomenon itself where does that leave

1680
01:01:25,609 --> 01:01:22,859
us how do we even begin to get our

1681
01:01:27,349 --> 01:01:25,619
bearings and who can we trust

1682
01:01:28,970 --> 01:01:27,359
I'll give you the answer that I think is

1683
01:01:30,530 --> 01:01:28,980
the right one although I sense that

1684
01:01:32,990 --> 01:01:30,540
there will be plenty of people who don't

1685
01:01:35,030 --> 01:01:33,000
like this answer and beg to disagree

1686
01:01:38,210 --> 01:01:35,040
I don't think you should trust anyone

1687
01:01:40,430 --> 01:01:38,220
not even me in Diana pasulka's American

1688
01:01:42,230 --> 01:01:40,440
Cosmic she related a conversation that

1689
01:01:43,910 --> 01:01:42,240
she had with Jacques filet near the

1690
01:01:46,549 --> 01:01:43,920
beginning of her Research into UFOs

1691
01:01:50,569 --> 01:01:46,559
during which he said to her believe

1692
01:01:52,490 --> 01:01:50,579
nothing believe no one and I agree when

1693
01:01:55,370 --> 01:01:52,500
it comes to the phenomenon there are no

1694
01:01:56,870 --> 01:01:55,380
easy answers in fact as I hope I've

1695
01:01:59,210 --> 01:01:56,880
convincingly argued throughout this

1696
01:02:01,490 --> 01:01:59,220
episode in endeavoring to answer these

1697
01:02:03,650 --> 01:02:01,500
questions we have plenty of reasons to

1698
01:02:04,789 --> 01:02:03,660
actively guard ourselves against easy

1699
01:02:07,130 --> 01:02:04,799
answers

1700
01:02:08,809 --> 01:02:07,140
now admittedly this may not be what

1701
01:02:11,390 --> 01:02:08,819
someone in the throes of ontological

1702
01:02:13,130 --> 01:02:11,400
shock wants to hear but I think it's of

1703
01:02:15,109 --> 01:02:13,140
monumental importance that we hold

1704
01:02:16,789 --> 01:02:15,119
ourselves accountable and do our best to

1705
01:02:19,670 --> 01:02:16,799
remain objective in the face of this

1706
01:02:21,829 --> 01:02:19,680
radical mystery the hard truth is that

1707
01:02:24,530 --> 01:02:21,839
the answer to what the UFO phenomenon

1708
01:02:26,569 --> 01:02:24,540
actually represents is not googleable

1709
01:02:28,670 --> 01:02:26,579
and none of the methods that you were

1710
01:02:30,770 --> 01:02:28,680
taught in school about what constitutes

1711
01:02:32,030 --> 01:02:30,780
reliable source of information are going

1712
01:02:35,030 --> 01:02:32,040
to work here

1713
01:02:36,589 --> 01:02:35,040
take for example the New York Times once

1714
01:02:38,450 --> 01:02:36,599
the standard Bearer for journalistic

1715
01:02:40,789 --> 01:02:38,460
integrity and the paper of record for

1716
01:02:42,589 --> 01:02:40,799
the greatest democracy in the world the

1717
01:02:44,930 --> 01:02:42,599
gray lady doesn't seem to know what she

1718
01:02:46,250 --> 01:02:44,940
thinks about UFOs do you believe the

1719
01:02:48,410 --> 01:02:46,260
article where they outed the secret

1720
01:02:49,789 --> 01:02:48,420
government UFO program or the article

1721
01:02:51,530 --> 01:02:49,799
where they assure us that it's all just

1722
01:02:53,089 --> 01:02:51,540
a big misunderstanding

1723
01:02:54,950 --> 01:02:53,099
if you're going to go about this the

1724
01:02:57,530 --> 01:02:54,960
right way you shouldn't believe either

1725
01:02:59,150 --> 01:02:57,540
you need to think for yourself and come

1726
01:03:01,609 --> 01:02:59,160
to your own conclusions

1727
01:03:03,530 --> 01:03:01,619
so what does that look like well first

1728
01:03:05,210 --> 01:03:03,540
you need to be willing to take in

1729
01:03:07,910 --> 01:03:05,220
information from a wide variety of

1730
01:03:10,190 --> 01:03:07,920
sources and entertain a wide variety of

1731
01:03:11,829 --> 01:03:10,200
ideas even ones that you don't agree

1732
01:03:13,849 --> 01:03:11,839
with and that make you uncomfortable

1733
01:03:16,190 --> 01:03:13,859
especially ones that you don't agree

1734
01:03:18,589 --> 01:03:16,200
with and that make you uncomfortable you

1735
01:03:21,109 --> 01:03:18,599
don't need to accept these ideas you

1736
01:03:22,849 --> 01:03:21,119
only need to consider them they are

1737
01:03:25,549 --> 01:03:22,859
important to getting the lay of the land

1738
01:03:27,349 --> 01:03:25,559
and if you talk to just about anyone who

1739
01:03:29,750 --> 01:03:27,359
has studied this topic for any length of

1740
01:03:32,030 --> 01:03:29,760
time what you find is that as your

1741
01:03:34,010 --> 01:03:32,040
worldview adjusts you suddenly find

1742
01:03:35,470 --> 01:03:34,020
yourself willing to consider ideas that

1743
01:03:39,109 --> 01:03:35,480
you weren't willing to consider before

1744
01:03:41,690 --> 01:03:39,119
it's an inevitable part of the process

1745
01:03:43,670 --> 01:03:41,700
second you need to be willing to do the

1746
01:03:47,089 --> 01:03:43,680
work to verify things before accepting

1747
01:03:49,010 --> 01:03:47,099
them is true this is hard actually it's

1748
01:03:51,829 --> 01:03:49,020
not even hard it's more like impossible

1749
01:03:53,870 --> 01:03:51,839
there are too many leads to follow too

1750
01:03:55,549 --> 01:03:53,880
many facts to track down for every

1751
01:03:58,370 --> 01:03:55,559
answer that you manage to sufficiently

1752
01:04:01,010 --> 01:03:58,380
verify 100 new questions will pop up in

1753
01:04:03,710 --> 01:04:01,020
its place this can be frustrating and

1754
01:04:06,109 --> 01:04:03,720
it's obviously far from ideal but it's

1755
01:04:08,690 --> 01:04:06,119
also important to the process

1756
01:04:11,210 --> 01:04:08,700
any serious and objective inquiry into

1757
01:04:13,970 --> 01:04:11,220
the UFO phenomenon will inevitably lead

1758
01:04:16,250 --> 01:04:13,980
you to questions about what you know and

1759
01:04:17,690 --> 01:04:16,260
how you know it I don't mean to spoil it

1760
01:04:19,370 --> 01:04:17,700
for you but if you haven't gotten there

1761
01:04:21,950 --> 01:04:19,380
already that is where this is all

1762
01:04:24,109 --> 01:04:21,960
heading and while it can be disorienting

1763
01:04:26,630 --> 01:04:24,119
to recognize that you actually know a

1764
01:04:29,030 --> 01:04:26,640
lot less than you thought there is more

1765
01:04:31,309 --> 01:04:29,040
strength and courage and fulfillment to

1766
01:04:32,990 --> 01:04:31,319
be found standing under the vastness of

1767
01:04:35,390 --> 01:04:33,000
the stars and realizing that you're

1768
01:04:37,250 --> 01:04:35,400
small then in consuming a bunch of

1769
01:04:39,130 --> 01:04:37,260
pre-packaged pseudo truths and

1770
01:04:42,049 --> 01:04:39,140
convincing yourself that you are Mighty

1771
01:04:43,370 --> 01:04:42,059
and finally you need to develop your own

1772
01:04:45,589 --> 01:04:43,380
discernment

1773
01:04:48,289 --> 01:04:45,599
to me one of the most profound

1774
01:04:50,270 --> 01:04:48,299
realizations with taking this path has

1775
01:04:52,190 --> 01:04:50,280
been recognizing the extent to which we

1776
01:04:55,309 --> 01:04:52,200
have been systematically programmed and

1777
01:04:57,049 --> 01:04:55,319
conditioned to not trust ourselves we

1778
01:04:58,910 --> 01:04:57,059
don't even trust our own eyes and our

1779
01:05:01,370 --> 01:04:58,920
own experience if it doesn't conform to

1780
01:05:03,410 --> 01:05:01,380
what we've been told must be true we

1781
01:05:06,950 --> 01:05:03,420
will doubt our own sanity before we

1782
01:05:09,109 --> 01:05:06,960
doubt consensus reality and that's scary

1783
01:05:11,569 --> 01:05:09,119
and I want to be clear that developing

1784
01:05:13,370 --> 01:05:11,579
your discernment does not mean believing

1785
01:05:16,069 --> 01:05:13,380
everything that you think or not

1786
01:05:18,190 --> 01:05:16,079
interrogating your beliefs what it means

1787
01:05:20,450 --> 01:05:18,200
is re-establishing trust with yourself

1788
01:05:22,250 --> 01:05:20,460
it means listening to the little voice

1789
01:05:24,829 --> 01:05:22,260
in your head and the physiological

1790
01:05:26,870 --> 01:05:24,839
response in your body that tells you

1791
01:05:29,930 --> 01:05:26,880
when something doesn't sound right in

1792
01:05:32,030 --> 01:05:29,940
pursuing that it means being brave and

1793
01:05:34,250 --> 01:05:32,040
grounded enough to honor your own truth

1794
01:05:36,650 --> 01:05:34,260
even if it doesn't align with consensus

1795
01:05:38,870 --> 01:05:36,660
reality it's not about convincing

1796
01:05:41,390 --> 01:05:38,880
yourself that you're always right that

1797
01:05:43,549 --> 01:05:41,400
is not discernment it's about no longer

1798
01:05:45,650 --> 01:05:43,559
allowing your sources of truth and

1799
01:05:46,670 --> 01:05:45,660
meaning to be outsourced to the highest

1800
01:05:49,609 --> 01:05:46,680
bidder

1801
01:05:51,770 --> 01:05:49,619
and that includes me as we move forward

1802
01:05:54,170 --> 01:05:51,780
on this journey I hope that you enjoy

1803
01:05:57,470 --> 01:05:54,180
the podcast I hope that it challenges

1804
01:05:59,750 --> 01:05:57,480
and inspires you I hope it's fun what I

1805
01:06:02,690 --> 01:05:59,760
don't hope for is that you believe me

1806
01:06:04,430 --> 01:06:02,700
I'm on this journey too and my answers

1807
01:06:05,390 --> 01:06:04,440
aren't necessarily better than anyone

1808
01:06:07,309 --> 01:06:05,400
else's

1809
01:06:10,430 --> 01:06:07,319
please don't take my word for anything

1810
01:06:12,470 --> 01:06:10,440
look into it yourself dig deeper

1811
01:06:14,870 --> 01:06:12,480
challenge the parts that don't feel

1812
01:06:16,789 --> 01:06:14,880
right for you figure out why they don't

1813
01:06:19,549 --> 01:06:16,799
feel right to you and find something

1814
01:06:22,010 --> 01:06:19,559
that does because whatever you end up

1815
01:06:23,809 --> 01:06:22,020
believing about the UFO phenomenon the

1816
01:06:26,089 --> 01:06:23,819
most important thing is that it comes